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Author Topic: Goblins: So How Hard Are You? (Makes sense in context)  (Read 150753 times)

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Re: Goblins: Oh hai Mark
« Reply #1095 on: February 20, 2018, 09:58:10 am »

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So um, can anyone detail how Paladins work, for us who don't either have any experience with D&D, or have any opportunity to play it realistically? :( (I'm of the latter...with much interest in it)
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Re: Goblins: Oh hai Mark
« Reply #1096 on: February 20, 2018, 10:09:49 am »

The short version is that paladins are crusaders beholden to a code of honor (or service to a deity) that dictates their lives and actions.  By adhering to this code unwaveringly they gain access to powers that allow them to more effectively battle evil and injustice.  If they fail to adhere to the code they are supposed to lose all powers they have.

It seems, from previous statements by characters in-world, that paladins are supposed to function the same way in the Goblins world, but for whatever reason Kore doesn't follow that rule.
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Re: Goblins: Oh hai Mark
« Reply #1097 on: February 20, 2018, 10:51:22 am »

The code of conduct, for reference:
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A paladin must be of lawful good alignment and loses all class abilities if she ever willingly commits an evil act.

Additionally, a paladin’s code requires that she respect legitimate authority, act with honor (not lying, not cheating, not using poison, and so forth), help those in need (provided they do not use the help for evil or chaotic ends), and punish those who harm or threaten innocents.
That's from 3rd edition, which is what Goblins is based on.  5th edition added some alternate oaths.
The whole class has a tendency to spark morality debates, heh.  DND players argue about the exact nature of the alignments even *without* a player's class abilities relying on the answer.

It's possible the trick is the word "willingly".  When Big Ears struck the time-golem of Vorpal (IIRC), he didn't lose his paladin powers, even though the act was evil enough to unseal the axe of Prissan.  He didn't do evil on purpose.  So Kore probably believes that he never does evil (particularly since he spends most of his dialogue justifying his actions as righteous).
He also does a pretty good job following the second half of the code...  By the letter, anyway.  Torture isn't honorable to most people, but the code doesn't mention it.

A lot of GMs would depower Kore anyway.  The powers are (almost always) granted by gods, who would presumably frown on even the most self-righteous evildoer.
But this world is sad.  (And technically you can be a paladin/cleric who worships an alignment itself, not a god).

(3.5 edition also evil/chaotic paladins as an optional rule, but they're pretty obscure, and I think Thunt outright said Kore isn't that.)
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Re: Goblins: Oh hai Mark
« Reply #1098 on: February 20, 2018, 11:04:42 am »

Given that Forgath's god appears to be an overweight neet, my opinion is that Kore is just an actual Lawful Good paladin who happens to do horrible things. Just like some players might do terrible things and get away with still being LG, because intelligent monsters aren't people.
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Re: Goblins: Oh hai Mark
« Reply #1099 on: February 20, 2018, 11:20:09 am »

Speaking about the axe of Prissan, can someone please explain to me all that talk about the axe being actually transportation to the demon rather than being a prison?
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Re: Goblins: Oh hai Mark
« Reply #1100 on: February 20, 2018, 11:24:24 am »

The Sacred can't pass between worlds itself, because it's too "big" and powerful. So the demons decided to trap it inside the axe, which can travel to the material plane, and is wielded by a paladin. Eventually the axe will experience too much evil to contain the Sacred, it will break out, and a convenient paladin will be nearby to eat.
The flea demon also mentions the Hammer of Prisson, which imprisons pure good and is wielded by pure evil.
« Last Edit: February 20, 2018, 11:29:12 am by Egan_BW »
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Re: Goblins: Oh hai Mark
« Reply #1101 on: February 20, 2018, 01:47:08 pm »

The thing with Kore being a paladin is that the paladin code only forbids willingly commiting an evil act. As we learned not that long ago, Kore got cursed by demons. If that curse messes with his free will and forces him to do evil[Which seems like a safe bet to me], then he's not breaking the paladin code at all.
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Re: Goblins: Let Me Snub You
« Reply #1102 on: March 01, 2018, 04:04:51 pm »

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Re: Goblins: Let Me Snub You
« Reply #1103 on: March 01, 2018, 04:07:45 pm »

Ohh I hope she pulls the germophobe excuse. Or runs a silent stilled illusion.

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Re: Goblins: Let Me Snub You
« Reply #1104 on: March 01, 2018, 04:08:35 pm »

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Re: Goblins: Let Me Snub You
« Reply #1105 on: March 13, 2018, 06:53:46 pm »

Update, I don't think Kin should be underestimating Kore like that.
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Re: Goblins: Let Me Snub You
« Reply #1106 on: March 13, 2018, 07:00:40 pm »

Looks less like underestimation and more like "working with what you've got". She's a wizard and Kore isn't exactly subtle about looking OP as fuck. But better to Lightning Bolt someone, then run away, than just turn around and run.
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Re: Goblins: Let Me Snub You
« Reply #1107 on: March 13, 2018, 07:08:42 pm »

Also could have throttled him with a near-indestructible tail.  To my perspective that would have been far less of an underestimation than the presumtion that escaping from Kore is even possible.
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Re: Goblins: Let Me Snub You
« Reply #1108 on: March 13, 2018, 07:41:23 pm »

Isn't the floor trapped to fall when there is only one IME present?  Could be going for that.
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Re: Goblins: Let Me Snub You
« Reply #1109 on: March 13, 2018, 08:27:26 pm »

Could be, that is definitely the kind of outside the box thinking Kin does best.
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