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TealNinja

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Re: D&D?
« Reply #75 on: October 21, 2013, 08:04:01 pm »

You stop taking flavor text seriously when you read nonsense like "Fighter is the best fighting class".  And you stop making arguments about writer intent when you notice that many times the rules contradict themselves even within the same book (for example, undead creatures that lose particular organs can no longer use the senses associated with those organs, but skeletons are neither blind nor deaf).

A lot of the writers didn't know what the other writers working on the same projects were doing.  Flavor text and mechanics text seldom agree with each other.  Besides, ultimately the point of a game is to have fun with it.  If extrapolating literal interpretations of what you're given to bizarre conclusions is what you enjoy, you're no better nor worse than a player who uses the texts as a mere guideline framework to build their own shakespearean drama cause that's what they enjoy.
I also agree with you that the writers of these books clearly didn't know what was going on in other books, and/or didn't care to explore all of the rules interactions. Although I fail to see how someone could write up Aptitude without thinking of how dumb it would be to have people using grappling feats with a blowgun. Or the game balance problems with letting people use feats that were supposed to go on a light mace (low damage, low crit chance, sucky weapon) on a great crossbow instead (missile, high damage, high crit, cool exotic weapon). Just bad game design.

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Before reading the spoilers, know that I don't mean you any ill will or entirely disagree with your interpretations.  These are just my arguments why your build wouldn't work, and I feel the arguments themselves are at least as qualified as yours.  The second spoiler is the more succinct argument and probably the better one, but I didn't want to just remove the first one after I had gone through the trouble of writing it.

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In contrast to Weenog's build, my build is far simpler and involves the use of only one additional book as opposed to several.

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A build I've wanted to do has been Bard + Dragonfire Inspiration with a sonic dragon tied to the feat and then cranking up the Inspire Courage feature, and capping off with Dread Pirate.  You can activate your Inspire Courage at the same time as a Dread Pirate feature that does the same thing, however they won't stack normally as they apply the same kind of bonus (Morale).  However, with Dragonfire Inspiration, you convert the effect Inspire Courage grants to something else, enabling them to stack.
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Re: D&D?
« Reply #76 on: October 21, 2013, 08:18:40 pm »

What if you played a Thri-Kreen?
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Re: D&D?
« Reply #77 on: October 21, 2013, 08:19:51 pm »

And I have no idea how to optimise or even really how to make a character.
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Re: D&D?
« Reply #78 on: October 21, 2013, 08:20:47 pm »

What if you played a Thri-Kreen?
Then quadwield Lances and jump.
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Re: D&D?
« Reply #79 on: October 21, 2013, 08:21:37 pm »

I was referring to the Lightning Maces/Aptitude/Etc build. Could you wield two light maces and a great crossbow and use the exploit? Technically?
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Re: D&D?
« Reply #80 on: October 21, 2013, 08:23:37 pm »

I was referring to the Lightning Maces/Aptitude/Etc build. Could you wield two light maces and a great crossbow and use the exploit? Technically?

No.  The feat specifies a "light mace in each hand;" it specifies nothing for the number of hands or light maces.  Well, okay, the flavour text does, but the actual benefits of the feat does not.
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Re: D&D?
« Reply #81 on: October 21, 2013, 08:42:19 pm »

I was referring to the Lightning Maces/Aptitude/Etc build. Could you wield two light maces and a great crossbow and use the exploit? Technically?

No.  The feat specifies a "light mace in each hand;" it specifies nothing for the number of hands or light maces.  Well, okay, the flavour text does, but the actual benefits of the feat does not.
I'm sure there's a graft or the like somewhere that can wield weapons and isn't a hand.
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TealNinja

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Re: D&D?
« Reply #82 on: October 21, 2013, 08:51:54 pm »

I was referring to the Lightning Maces/Aptitude/Etc build. Could you wield two light maces and a great crossbow and use the exploit? Technically?

No.  The feat specifies a "light mace in each hand;" it specifies nothing for the number of hands or light maces.  Well, okay, the flavour text does, but the actual benefits of the feat does not.
I'm sure there's a graft or the like somewhere that can wield weapons and isn't a hand.

Possibly.  I'm not saying the build is impossible; I don't have enough memorized or the materials in front of me to run through a build that I disagree with.  I would have stopped him at the Candle step.
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« Reply #83 on: October 21, 2013, 10:13:14 pm »

Was it ever decided who would be GM?
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Re: D&D?
« Reply #84 on: October 21, 2013, 10:14:03 pm »

No BUT we did agree that it would be Play by post or... wait no we didn't... We actually just kinda talked about builds.
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« Reply #85 on: October 21, 2013, 10:28:58 pm »

No BUT we did agree that it would be Play by post or... wait no we didn't... We actually just kinda talked about builds.
Not unexpected.

I'm also for Play by Post; I don't really have large chunks of free time, but I do have many small chunks throughout the day... except while I'm at work.
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Re: D&D?
« Reply #86 on: October 21, 2013, 10:53:38 pm »

I think most people want PBP.
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Re: D&D?
« Reply #87 on: October 21, 2013, 11:16:06 pm »

As far as GM/DM'ing and the world we play in is concerned, I'd be happier with a more serious setting with characters bringing the humour rather than trying to force it into the storyline.
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Re: D&D?
« Reply #88 on: October 22, 2013, 01:38:24 am »

Game thread is here. JOIN!
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Re: D&D?
« Reply #89 on: October 22, 2013, 10:01:14 am »

Anyways. Who's GMing again?
That would be either me or Grek.
Or both.
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