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Khegit

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Oh no.....
« on: October 15, 2013, 08:21:06 pm »

"Well, my first fortress! Everything's running smoothly. I've got nice food and booze production, expanding into a larger farm as I speak. Got a great crafts industry, with stone, porcelain, and thanks to my new beekeepers that arrived with the last migrant wave, a bit of wax working as well! Twenty-seven military fighter dwarves, all equipped with finely crafted, full steel armor and weapons, as wall as fourteen marksdwarves, increasing with every migrant wave. Getting loads of war dogs trained, that should help with the goblin sieges, not that my well-trained, and armed military wasn't good enough at doing that already. And, right now, I'm working on establishing a worker's den in the caverns, with a two drawbridge "airlock" design, complete with food, lumber, stone, and gem stockpiles, a dormitory, and a barrack. I can almost see all that tower-cap wood, and precious gems, right now. This is only my first fortress, and already, I've built a mighty stronghold, with immense wealth, defense, and engineering! Not to mention my marksdwarf killed that last forgotten beast with only two shots! I feel like I can withstand anything this game throws at me!!!

'The forgotten beast, Nubpo Kulquazi, has arrived! A gigantic quadruped composed of blue diamonds. It has large mandibles and a bloated body. Beware its deadly webs!'

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Re: Oh no.....
« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2013, 08:22:51 pm »

Drop a floor on it. Or a wall. Or a bunch of (heavy) miscellaneous items.
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And so I strike, like an unseen dodge ball in an echoing gymnasium!
Another book entitled Start Your Day with Extinction.
Must be the next book in the series after Start Your Day with Death.

Khegit

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Re: Oh no.....
« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2013, 08:24:14 pm »

I would, if it wasn't so dang fast.
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Re: Oh no.....
« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2013, 08:30:45 pm »

Well, AI would spam webs all over the place, which actually make this beast far less deadly.

On the other hand, I have no idea how resilient it will be, although I never encountered a beast that would be unkillable so far.
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Cool, but wouldn't this likely lead to tongues having a '[SPEACH]' tag, and thus via necromancy we would have nearly unkillable reanimated tongues following necromancers spamming 'it is sad but not unexpected'?

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Re: Oh no.....
« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2013, 10:04:00 pm »

How would spamming webs everywhere make it "less" dangerous? Also, I don't think steel can cut through diamond.
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Re: Oh no.....
« Reply #5 on: October 15, 2013, 11:10:30 pm »

From what I understand diamond is hard (in that it's difficult to scratch) but comparatively brittle, so it may be possible to cut it apart. And less ddengerous in that enemies with those kinds of attacks prioitize using them instead of conventional attacks and with enough distance or a wall with something to distract it behind it may prompt it to endlessly fling webs at said  distraction.

And by the time it hears the miners carve away the roof above it it will be too late...

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« Reply #6 on: October 15, 2013, 11:20:01 pm »

How would spamming webs everywhere make it "less" dangerous? Also, I don't think steel can cut through diamond.

It tends to forget to, you know, actually bite, or claw and stuff. Biggest hazard is starvation while webbed, really.
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Cool, but wouldn't this likely lead to tongues having a '[SPEACH]' tag, and thus via necromancy we would have nearly unkillable reanimated tongues following necromancers spamming 'it is sad but not unexpected'?

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Re: Oh no.....
« Reply #7 on: October 15, 2013, 11:25:46 pm »

Well, seeing as how it slings webs, my military dwarves won't be able to take it. Perhaps I'll try the other suggestion, and distract it with something. Problem is, I can't open up my fortress and place, say, an artifact on the ground to lure it out, without opening my fort to attack. And this thing is FAST. I don't know if my dwarves will be fast enough to pull the lever (I hadn't dug out the two squares of dirt in front of the first drawbridge yet. I was about to, until that thing showed up.
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Re: Oh no.....
« Reply #8 on: October 15, 2013, 11:42:25 pm »

If it's locked away and can't fly, you can risk a miner or two by having them drop the roof on the son of a bitch.

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Re: Oh no.....
« Reply #9 on: October 16, 2013, 12:16:05 am »

Don't worry, I don't think anyone here would expect you to waste a precious artifact on distracting the monster.
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« Reply #10 on: October 16, 2013, 01:16:23 am »

How would spamming webs everywhere make it "less" dangerous? Also, I don't think steel can cut through diamond.

It tends to forget to, you know, actually bite, or claw and stuff. Biggest hazard is starvation while webbed, really.

Man, what game are you playing? Most webbing beasts auto-headshot everything, even candy-clad legendary superdorfs, without so much as slowing down. The only thing worse than a webbing FB is one with an instadeath™ gas or dust attack.

The most reliable method here is to drop the ceiling on the beast. Set up the cave-in inside the fort but near the edge, bait it, then open it up when you're ready. Artifact furniture is the best bait, and contrary to what Asra is implying, you won't lose the artifact in the process, unless you deliberately crush it.

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« Reply #11 on: October 16, 2013, 03:51:47 am »

Really? My expirience with webshooter is radically different.

Perhaps it's because I always had around 60-70 soldiers and my military never got to be "webbed enough" in beast's eyes.
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Cool, but wouldn't this likely lead to tongues having a '[SPEACH]' tag, and thus via necromancy we would have nearly unkillable reanimated tongues following necromancers spamming 'it is sad but not unexpected'?

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« Reply #12 on: October 16, 2013, 04:28:34 am »

What, you see a web-spitting forgotten beast and don't instantly think "silk farm"? Attract it with an artefact piece of furniture, capture it between a pair of raising bridges, show it some kind of target through fortifications, use some more bridges to block sight or drop the webs for collection. Forgotten beasts can live forever and happily web through fortifications without needing a walkable path.

As has been mentioned, diamond is relatively brittle, thus should pose less of a problem than a metal beast. Marksdwarfs (with metal bolts) should be capable of cracking it quite thoroughly before you unleash the melee for the finish.
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Re: Oh no.....
« Reply #13 on: October 16, 2013, 11:05:23 am »

Draft your entire fortress. Mass Attack. See who survives.
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« Reply #14 on: October 16, 2013, 12:13:11 pm »

Per anonymous dwarven general.
"Safety in numbers. Except for safety"
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Cool, but wouldn't this likely lead to tongues having a '[SPEACH]' tag, and thus via necromancy we would have nearly unkillable reanimated tongues following necromancers spamming 'it is sad but not unexpected'?
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