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[MightyPaladin]

are these supposed to show up with immigrant waves?  Because I've got two of them now and I haven't even made it into the third year.

[Meph]

No, they shouldnt. Do you have any duplicate raws, or an errorlog? Can you order them from the liaison?

[MightyPaladin]

if there's a duplicate raw, it isn't something I did manually.  All the changes I made I did through the masterwork settings application.  I couldn't order them through the diplomat
I added the "hard" fort defense races.

It only happened in that one game.  Now I wish I'd kept the save.

The errorlog consists of a page of carp failing to path correctly, ex:

path fail: carp,239,219,68 -> 220,215,68: Id #16221:Path Goal Flee Terrain:Station None at 238,219,68

[Urist McTeellox]

I have two in my first year Orc Fortress. They didn't arrive via migration, though. v.4b

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They were dug up as part of the archaeology system. Given I have two, and given they were able to fight off a drow bloodsteel ambush without taking any damage whatsoever, I fear they may be a little unbalancing for such an early fort.

~ T

[Panopticon]

I'm finding it trivially easy to "Please Armok with a massive offering" and get as many Guardians as I want, making fortress defense pretty simple. I have ten stationed at my gates and they pretty much bludgeon every siege to death by themselves, usually with pants, breastplates, and masks that they take off of their enemies. Which at least is funny but I think it is a bit unbalanced.

[Urist McTeellox]

Since creatures in DF can age and die, I suspect one possible way to prevent imbalances is to give guardians a really short lifespan. I would suggest no longer than a year. So you can do the rituals to get one, but you have to keep doing said rituals to maintain them. It also means that digging one up in a newbie fort isn't going to be as unbalancing. You might have a great tank to hide behind for a year, but it's only one year.

Although on that note, I'd actually suggest changing the archaeology drop to be a golem, rather than a guardian. They're tough, but not unbalancing.

In an ideal world, I'd have rising costs for each summoning of a guardian, requiring a bigger offering every time. That means you can't use them as a long-term defence strategy, because they'll just become too expensive. However having a temple with an offering prepared does make a good 'emergency button' if you really need it.  (However I don't know how possible this is from a modding standpoint...)

[Panopticon]

My Guardians are also growing attached to the items they take from their foes, I think they might start giving them names soon.