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[ChairmanPoo]

I disagree. With the occ you get TWO penalties, not just one. Considering the bleeding risk, I think rendering the minimum value of heals to 1 point is not out of the question, since even with an one-1-heal guarantee you might well end up LOSING health due to bleed.

BTW remember that bleed gets stronger and more likely with more levels.

[gimli]

IMO it's more fun to play with a party with an occultist in it, because of the crazy RNG. Occultists can trigger and activate your smile & bitch&moan modes in the same time. That being said, I only use vestals with specific setups, because the occultist wouldn't fit so well. [ex. x2 lepers/x]

[Ghazkull]

good gods the dankest dungeon levels are god awfully difficult...

Spoiler:  Potential Spoilers (click to show/hide)

plus not being able to use the same characters repeatedly annoys me even more. You just build up a pool of useless veterans...in which you invested insane amounts of money.

I mean come on cant they turn it into a fixable trait or something at least? This just forces players to do tons of boring grinding. Plus what about my damn awesome veteran survivors? I want to play them not raise a new crop of retards i dont like in the first place. They are like the middle child you never wanted but ended up with because you kept the condom too long in your wallet.

[nenjin]

The bleed is a complete joke. Yeah, in terms of net hp gained/lost it's a consideration. A consideration completely invalidated by the first 10 pt heal he throws out.

Then again, I think Bleed in general is basically a joke until you reach the DD.

[LordPorkins]

Nope! Try the Cove. Enjoy getting your nards sliced in half by a giant crab. Have fun

[LordPorkins]

good gods the dankest dungeon levels are god awfully difficult...

Spoiler:  Potential Spoilers (click to show/hide)

plus not being able to use the same characters repeatedly annoys me even more. You just build up a pool of useless veterans...in which you invested insane amounts of money.

I mean come on cant they turn it into a fixable trait or something at least? This just forces players to do tons of boring grinding. Plus what about my damn awesome veteran survivors? I want to play them not raise a new crop of retards i dont like in the first place. They are like the middle child you never wanted but ended up with because you kept the condom too long in your wallet.

I think they should have the heroes unavailable if they fail a mission, and they arent allowed to retry that mission. In exchange when the mission is accomplished, everyones relieved, and they get too go back. Or maybe have it be like a 50% chance to not go back.

[ChairmanPoo]

good gods the dankest dungeon levels are god awfully difficult...

Spoiler:  Potential Spoilers (click to show/hide)

plus not being able to use the same characters repeatedly annoys me even more. You just build up a pool of useless veterans...in which you invested insane amounts of money.

I mean come on cant they turn it into a fixable trait or something at least? This just forces players to do tons of boring grinding. Plus what about my damn awesome veteran survivors? I want to play them not raise a new crop of retards i dont like in the first place. They are like the middle child you never wanted but ended up with because you kept the condom too long in your wallet.

They're going to fix the grinding. Getting upper level heroes directly will be easier.

Also, the veteran heroes are supposed to be useful because they give a 30% xp bonus to other heroes. So... in theory you could use them as companion mentors to other prospective heroes...

[nenjin]

Nope! Try the Cove. Enjoy getting your nards sliced in half by a giant crab. Have fun

That is like, the only bleed in the game short of the DD that is worth mentioning. Most other bleeds, including the OCC, are piddly even at the higher levels.

[Bauglir]

The bleed is a complete joke. Yeah, in terms of net hp gained/lost it's a consideration. A consideration completely invalidated by the first 10 pt heal he throws out.

Then again, I think Bleed in general is basically a joke until you reach the DD.

The bleed an Occultist throws out is actually potentially a threat, but mostly because the damage ticks can be deathblows. Desperate situations can make that a real problem in conjunction with a botched heal.

[LordPorkins]

I think the reason Bleed isnt as effective against heroes is because its primary usage is against High-Protection enemies. Heroes always have tons of hp along with Prot, whereas like the Crab-thing doesnt have much health (like 3 hellion blows would kill it) but its got a buttload of protection.

[nenjin]

Pretty much. When you're rolling 35 or 40 HP, 3-2-1 damage doesn't really hurt all that much. Yeah, the real risk comes with Death Blows, but frankly other than surprise max-life crits...if a character is at Death's Door they're pretty much already in deep trouble, bleeds or no bleeds.

Blight on the other hand....is a different story.

[LordPorkins]

I have no idea why blight is so much more deadly than bleed. Probably because it refreshes, but seriously, bleed stacks too. But whatever.

[nenjin]

It:

-Refreshes.
-Stacks at a higher per point value than Bleed.
-Loses damage slower than bleed.

[Bauglir]

What do you mean by refreshing and losing damage? Blight is mechanically identical to Bleed, it just usually has higher numbers.

[LordPorkins]

Say you have 2 rounds left in a blight. If you land another round, that blights damage adds to the new blight, but the timer goes to 3 rounds.