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[Bauglir]

Aye, the food limit is high enough that it's a non-issue. Which raises the issue of "Why bother?" I don't know what problem it's supposed to be solving. If the game's supposed to be exploratory, learning how much food to take seems like a reasonable thing to ask people to learn - especially compared to things like "The Plague Doctor is almost mandatory for the Cove because you pretty much need Blight". But, yeah, I really only object on principle - in practice, it changes nothing.

[Anvilfolk]

Wasn't the problem that food was basically cheap healing, and people just took an inventory full of it and kept healing? Not sure that $75 for 1 hp is a good trade, but maybe in enough quantities it makes it so you don't need to take a healer and can take on harder missions?

Maybe they could have travel rations at $75 which just keep hunger at bay, and deluxe food at $150 that had a chance, say 75%, of healing you for 1hp. People could still try that strategy, it'd just be less effective.

[Sindain]

They already introduced a mechanic that limited the amount of food one could eat at a time, which was meant to stop the use of food as healing. Maybe people got around it but I think it would be simpler to tweak that mechanic rather than introducing a whole new one.

[GiglameshDespair]

It's still reducing player choice; 'you must play this way.'
You could load up on food, and it was a calculated cost; you lose money and inventory space, and in return gain a weak but at least kind of reliable source of healing.
But that's be further limited to the whims of the RNG. I've had a lot of food just burnt through by repeated hunger checks, so I tended to carry quite a lot.

Overall I don't think they're taking the game in a better direction in the past few updates. It's a shame.

[EnigmaticHat]

Aye, the food limit is high enough that it's a non-issue. Which raises the issue of "Why bother?" I don't know what problem it's supposed to be solving. If the game's supposed to be exploratory, learning how much food to take seems like a reasonable thing to ask people to learn - especially compared to things like "The Plague Doctor is almost mandatory for the Cove because you pretty much need Blight". But, yeah, I really only object on principle - in practice, it changes nothing.

I think the issue is people completing missions by throwing money at them.  Like, let's just bring 100 food and heal to full after every fight.  Its not like money is terribly limited in this game.

[ventuswings]

I still think it might have been better to try to adjust the balance by adjusting provision prices, rather than limiting mechanic. You are hardly pushed for resources once you reach a certain point.

[Neonivek]

I still think it might have been better to try to adjust the balance by adjusting provision prices, rather than limiting mechanic. You are hardly pushed for resources once you reach a certain point.

Like a reverse bulk cost? or rather the more you buy the more expensive it gets because this is a poor town deprived of food?

[Sonlirain]

Aye, the food limit is high enough that it's a non-issue. Which raises the issue of "Why bother?" I don't know what problem it's supposed to be solving. If the game's supposed to be exploratory, learning how much food to take seems like a reasonable thing to ask people to learn - especially compared to things like "The Plague Doctor is almost mandatory for the Cove because you pretty much need Blight". But, yeah, I really only object on principle - in practice, it changes nothing.

I think the issue is people completing missions by throwing money at them.  Like, let's just bring 100 food and heal to full after every fight.  Its not like money is terribly limited in this game.

You can't do that because your guys become "full" after eating 4 units of food.
Unless of course they suddenly get hungry again as they turn a corner.

[LordPorkins]

In the wise words of Penny Arcade:

"Darkest Dungeon is Lovecrafts Fantasy Football League"

[ventuswings]

Yeah something like the latter, so if your economy is well and there is a dungeon one really want to clear, you still have choice of doing it in relative safety for significant loss of financial buffer. Any other system that works would be fine, though, as long as it is not hard-coded wall.

[LordPorkins]

[Spehss _]

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Nice. Made me snicker.

[nenjin]

She doesn't dodge so much in that form as just fall over out of the way of attacks.

[Spehss _]

There's been an update. Changes include options for allowing corpses or death's gate debuffs continuing after being healed from death's gate. Basically the two biggest complaints of gameplay mechanics have been made optional.

The provision limits aren't really noticeable to me, but I'm not in the late game with tons of gold yet. The new debuffs enemies can inflict don't seem that noticeable outside of really early game. The new enemy debuffs in general seem prone to being resisted.

So I've been playing around with the abomination. Seems hellaciously good. They can dish out crazy damage when buffed due to their high base weapon damage, human form has great utilities such as blight which lowers blight resist or a good damaging single target stun, and beast mode is amazing. Having to balance stress seems a reasonable requirement to having an abomination beast on the team. A jester in the back works well for a party with an abomination if you expect to regularly transform. Jesters seem to be an abomination's best friend.

Just killed the Brigand 8-Pounder with a party of two abominations in front, a houndmaster behind them, and a jester in back.

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Jester buffed the party's speed and crit chance each turn, occasionally healing stress, houndmaster occasionally healed stress and mostly kept pressuring the brigand matchman and other brigands with bleed, and the two abominations transformed asap and kept attacking the cannon -and usually the matchman right behind the cannon - with rake. Rake wound up buffing itself to +45% rake damage, on top of the +10% base damage each abomination got in beast form. A single rake - if it hit a brigand - dealt ~14 damage without crits and always one shot the matchman instantly, and usually dealt 3-4 damage to the cannon, which was always in range; that means up to 8 damage max on the cannon each turn if each abomination hit with rake.

The cannon never got a shot off.

Stress wasn't much of an issue, despite two abominations in the party. The two abominations syngergized by reducing each other's stress by transforming back to human after each battle. They regularly got kills or crits and lowered stress as well. The jester was only there to buff and reduce stress, so if I had enough speed to outpace the monsters I was fighting I'd lower stress. Occasionally houndmaster pitched in with lowering stress, although less reliably than the jester.

[Sirus]

Corpses have been optional for a while now IIRC, but I'm glad to hear that the death's door debuff's persistence can be turned off. That thing was pretty nasty.