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Re: DotA 2 - Patch 6.87 is live! ...let this nightmare never end!
« Reply #1560 on: June 08, 2016, 05:05:58 pm »

There's a short list of heroes that should never, ever be underestimated in DOTA and Bristleback is on it.  4v1 ganking a Bristleback?  Okay but don't bunch up too much and be ready to disengage if things go south.  You just gotta respect the quills.  Even pro players get caught into the trap of overcommitting on a Bristle and then getting turned on.

Other heroes I would put on that list: Ursa, Earthshaker, Omniknight, Abaddon, Axe, Gryocopter, Undying.  There are some heroes that can consistently produce surprising turnarounds and you have to always be ready when you're against them.  Lifestealer gets an honorable mention for putting his teammates on that list once he has ult (since anyone could be baiting with the help of infest).
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Re: DotA 2 - Patch 6.87 is live! ...let this nightmare never end!
« Reply #1561 on: June 08, 2016, 11:11:18 pm »

get crimson guard on bristle if you want to watch enemies tickle you
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Re: DotA 2 - Patch 6.87 is live! ...let this nightmare never end!
« Reply #1562 on: June 09, 2016, 09:00:50 am »

manila major isn't over and there's already been a roster shuffle: Universe returns to EG from Secret.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlkJb0u6x7U video relevant as void is current flavour of the meta
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Re: DotA 2 - Patch 6.87 is live! ...let this nightmare never end!
« Reply #1563 on: June 09, 2016, 11:37:54 am »

manila major isn't over and there's already been a roster shuffle: Universe returns to EG from Secret.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlkJb0u6x7U video relevant as void is current flavour of the meta
LOL!

Oh man, Dota 2 drama... never gets old.

Though this almost guarantees Zai is leaving Kaipi which makes me sad. I want to see SingSong...

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Re: DotA 2 - Patch 6.87 is live! ...let this nightmare never end!
« Reply #1564 on: June 13, 2016, 03:49:33 am »

http://store.steampowered.com/news/22385/

6.88

Highlights include pure damage Black Hole, Treant now safely 1shotting ancients at level 1, and Pugna being smarter than Carl.
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Re: DotA 2 - Patch 6.87 is live! ...let this nightmare never end!
« Reply #1565 on: June 13, 2016, 12:35:07 pm »

They accompanied the black hole with a tiny (little less than 10%) reduction in black hole damage.  Considering most heroes are going to have 25% magic resistance for the whole game, this is still a buff to its damage AND it means that items (most notable pipe and glimmer cape) won't be able to save people from the damage.  Also means that Enigma now has an advantage over Rubick, who is still going to be a hard counter to him anyway.
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Re: DotA 2 - Patch 6.87 is live! ...let this nightmare never end!
« Reply #1566 on: June 13, 2016, 09:44:32 pm »

being counterinitiated with stolen blackhole is an advantage? :P
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Re: DotA 2 - Patch 6.87 is live! ...let this nightmare never end!
« Reply #1567 on: June 13, 2016, 10:34:00 pm »

It looks like they've gotten creeps and Enchantress/Chen to about where they want them, due to no changes. Pity, they're my favourite heroes. MOAR buffs! MOAR!

A bit more lane mana boosting from KotL probably won't be significant, but makes a currently underplayed (yet previously very useful) hero a little easier to take in some builds. It's pretty good really.

Crystal Maiden got a mini-boost, probably needed, but she tends to do good work anyway. A touch more to make her a bit scarier can't hurt for team fights. Still a great support (always has been, there's just so many now).

Death Profit syphon harass being lowered is a good thing IMO.

Kunkka's slow actually does something now at early levels. But it's still just a slow.

Morphling gets more Ag. Yay!

Luna's MS buff might not seem like much, but damn. 335 unbooted. That's quick!
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Re: DotA 2 - Patch 6.87 is live! ...let this nightmare never end!
« Reply #1568 on: June 13, 2016, 10:55:44 pm »

crystal maiden needs ms not aoe
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Re: DotA 2 - Patch 6.87 is live! ...let this nightmare never end!
« Reply #1569 on: June 13, 2016, 11:23:22 pm »

being counterinitiated with stolen blackhole is an advantage? :P
Everyone forgets about Rubick's passive.

crystal maiden needs ms not aoe
...why?  Considering the items she usually builds she ends up with average MS.  Plus her skillset is very safe to use unless you get brave or foolish with her ult.

If there's any complaint I'd have about CM its that she doesn't reach any obvious peak of strength.  Her CC scales poorly relative to other int supports, and she doesn't reach the level 7 nuke peak that a lot of int heroes do.  2 levels in nova and 1 in frostbite is a solid damage peak except that she doesn't have the mana to sustain it without leveling her aura.  Said aura is more impactful in the early game where sustain problems are more prevalent, but she really wants some kind of item to help her get her ult off (blink/glimmer/BKB ect), which isn't going to happen until later in the game when her aura has started to drop off.  She's consistently useful but never a standout.
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Re: DotA 2 - Patch 6.87 is live! ...let this nightmare never end!
« Reply #1570 on: June 13, 2016, 11:27:38 pm »

Oracle
* Purifying Flames cast range increased from 750 to 800

Now Oracle can help the enemy team murder me from farther away.
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Re: DotA 2 - Patch 6.87 is live! ...let this nightmare never end!
« Reply #1571 on: June 14, 2016, 12:05:09 am »

Oracle
* Purifying Flames cast range increased from 750 to 800

Now Oracle can help the enemy team murder me from farther away.
The guy is a crazy sniper right now with Aether Lens and Aghs.

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Re: DotA 2 - Patch 6.87 is live! ...let this nightmare never end!
« Reply #1572 on: June 14, 2016, 10:19:38 am »

Everyone forgets about Rubick's passive.
Rubick's passive only kicks in when he's doing well, which shouldn't happen if the opposing team has an Enigma on it...

crystal maiden needs ms not aoe
...why?  Considering the items she usually builds she ends up with average MS.  Plus her skillset is very safe to use unless you get brave or foolish with her ult.

If there's any complaint I'd have about CM its that she doesn't reach any obvious peak of strength.  Her CC scales poorly relative to other int supports, and she doesn't reach the level 7 nuke peak that a lot of int heroes do.  2 levels in nova and 1 in frostbite is a solid damage peak except that she doesn't have the mana to sustain it without leveling her aura.  Said aura is more impactful in the early game where sustain problems are more prevalent, but she really wants some kind of item to help her get her ult off (blink/glimmer/BKB ect), which isn't going to happen until later in the game when her aura has started to drop off.  She's consistently useful but never a standout.
CM's skillset is based on getting into position to get frostbite off, and then after that she plays like witch doctor: get her ult off well and you turn the entire fight in your team's favour. Except of course that you don't have the luxury of using aether lens to safely get your ult off, you need to get into position to get it off, which ms helps with
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« Reply #1573 on: June 14, 2016, 12:03:44 pm »

Not really tho.  Her non-ult combo is frostbite-crystal nova-frostbite (timed so that you use crystal nova right when the first frostbite ends).  Frostbite is a low impact ability if cast only once, its main appeal is that you can conceivably get it off 2-4 times in a longer fight.  Positioning is important to getting the ult off but honestly timing is at least as important.  Gotta wait till all those enemy stuns are on cooldown.  Plus the two safest positions for a CM who hasn't completed her first major item to ult from are in the trees or a good distance behind her frontline, neither of which you need ms to reach.

Aether lens is no big loss for CM considering it costs more than both a blink dagger and glimmer cape.
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« Reply #1574 on: June 14, 2016, 10:53:42 pm »

The bite-nova-bite combo is a huge drain on her mana pool, which is amusing considering she used to be picked as the aura bitch.
If your team fights around you and your ult then yes, you don't need ms to hide in the trees. Although I'm undecided about ulting from the backlines - you waste potentially half of your ult's damage by doing that. Unlike similar big ults like chrono, supernova or blackhole, missing half of freezing field damage is quite a big impact in teamfights.
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