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[umiman]

It's not so easy to deal with ion shell, depending on your hero.

If you're melee you have almost no chance of benefiting from killing it as the damage is really high. As range it depends on your hero. A hero like Drow can clear it no problem as she has really long range, but someone like Morphling or Templar Assassin will have a lot of problems.

Additionally, even if you can nuke down the ion shell creep early on, after a few levels, Dark Seer can spam it so often it becomes futile.

[crazysheep]

Got it.

While we're talking about pro gaming, "it was like he had a tango and just got eaten" ~commentator describing Treant Protector ulting and then immediately getting crit by Ember Spirit.

Treant is a tree

Ember crits really hurt

what chops down trees in dota? :3

[Putnam]

battlefury chops trees down

[EnigmaticHat]

Got it.

While we're talking about pro gaming, "it was like he had a tango and just got eaten" ~commentator describing Treant Protector ulting and then immediately getting crit by Ember Spirit.

Treant is a tree

Ember crits really hurt

what chops down trees in dota? :3

Thanks for the explanation; I understood originally but I can see how these things get muddled over the internet.

[crazysheep]

battlefury chops trees down

battlefury is almost core on ember

[Crazy Horse]

This meta is pretty decent. Most heros are more or less viable and there isn't any clearly over-powered heros present in every game with hoho and haha. I'd be fine if they just left it right here. Of course, they won't though.

[crazysheep]

there isn't any clearly over-powered heros present in every game with hoho and haha.

with dragon lance and aether lens every hero can hoho haha

also, invoker, death prophet, lone druid come pretty close to "clearly overpowered"

[Crazy Horse]

I have seen a fair amount of rampaging Invoker, sure enough. The other two haven't really bothered me yet. But at least voker requires a large time investment to learn unlike the previously strong heros.

Warden on the other hand barely rewards you for the APM and micro you need to put into his low cooldown abilities.

[Putnam]

battlefury chops trees down

battlefury is almost core on ember

yes, many take two

(that was the joke)

[Wysthric]

there isn't any clearly over-powered heros present in every game with hoho and haha.

with dragon lance and aether lens every hero can hoho haha

also, invoker, death prophet, lone druid come pretty close to "clearly overpowered"

I haven't seen a LD do very well but Invoker and DP, definitely. I'd like to add Windranger and Zeus to that list.

[miauw62]

I'd be fine if they just left it right here. Of course, they won't though.

people will complain either way

[crazysheep]

yes, many take two

(that was the joke)

teehee :3

I haven't seen a LD do very well but Invoker and DP, definitely. I'd like to add Windranger and Zeus to that list.

I think Windranger is more overused than overpowered. If she doesn't snowball through max duration shackle kills or focus firing towers early and often, she doesn't contribute much towards the end of the game.

[lemon10]

also, invoker, death prophet, lone druid come pretty close to "clearly overpowered"

I definitely wouldn't say they are overpowered.
In most skill brackets LD is worse then average, and DP and Invoker are average.

Yes, a pro Invoker or LD are both extremely nasty, but the difficulty in playing them well makes up for it, with (overall) Invoker having a 50.5% win rate, and LD having a 45% winrate.

According to statistics, the best heroes by win rate (for pretty much everyone outside of tournaments) are Omniknight and Spectre, which makes them the closest to being overpowered.

[crazysheep]

hm

[Wysthric]

also, invoker, death prophet, lone druid come pretty close to "clearly overpowered"

I definitely wouldn't say they are overpowered.
In most skill brackets LD is worse then average, and DP and Invoker are average.

Yes, a pro Invoker or LD are both extremely nasty, but the difficulty in playing them well makes up for it, with (overall) Invoker having a 50.5% win rate, and LD having a 45% winrate.

According to statistics, the best heroes by win rate (for pretty much everyone outside of tournaments) are Omniknight and Spectre, which makes them the closest to being overpowered.

hm

Unfortunately lemon probably has the most defensible use of "overpowered" - that is, someone who wins a large portion of games. The argument could be made that 'good' players pick Omni and Spectre more, and thus deserve those wins.

I know with Invoker if the player is very good he can easily rek you, but if he isn't he can flounder around like a fish and get rekt in return.