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[Cthulhu]

Smoke cloud is like the best aoe silence spell in the game that also makes you miss a lot , plus riki will do tons of damage regardless due to his backstab, even without lots of damage items since he has a good agi growth.  Too bad he's like the most boring hero I've ever played after phantom assassin and huskar. Even other noobstompers like slark and spirit breaker are more fun to play then him.

Well his backstab only works if you face away.  That's what makes the smoke so good.  You can't run and you can't manfight.  But MKB or force staff dunks him hard.

And Necrobook.  Truesight, plus if you're building necrobooks you're probably 5-man pushing and even fed Riki can't do shit against a 5-man push.

[crazysheep]

They're available in the test client now I believe.

I already played Techies through mods. It's... not particularly fun. I probably just have no clue how to play him right.

Apparently Suicide bombing is the way to go for Techies. Most heroes don't stand a chance at the early levels.

It's partially why Techies has the worst movespeed ingame.

[umiman]

Their autoattack damage is also nonexistent. It's like being stuck playing a Shadow Fiend with 20% less autoattack damage. 30 base damage. THIRTY!!! It's only slightly more than a melee creep. A poor man's shield and a little bit of armour would actually make you invulnerable to his autoattack damage.

How on earth are you supposed to farm and compete for last hits with these guys I have no clue. It's somewhat hilarious too, as they use a bazooka to shoot rockets as their autoattack.

I can imagine the enemy hero going:

*plink*
"What was that?"
*plink*
"Am I being attacked?"
*plink*
"I'm not losing health though."

He pushes really well though. His land mine works on towers and I think it does 300 damage to a tower at max level. The stasis trap is also bonkers powerful. 6 second stun in a gigantic AOE. And you can simply stun them again before it even finishes cooling down. Yup, this guy can stun your team for 12 seconds.

[Cthulhu]

I don't think you're supposed to farm with them.  I've taken a look at some of the reading people posted in the lead-up to techies and it sounds like they're heavy roamers.

[coolio678]

I don't think you're supposed to farm with them.  I've taken a look at some of the reading people posted in the lead-up to techies and it sounds like they're heavy roamers.

Well, going by the pro builds we've seen so far, midas is a core item for these guys.

[The Scout]

In response to farming, just try to get what little you can early and go for mana regen. Once you get your ult, spam that shit and get farm that way.

[frostshotgg]

I'm pretty sure Just a PMS is enough to be invulnerable to Techie's base damage. They don't do hero damage, they do siege damage. Like Bear or a Siege creep. So like double to towers, but half to heroes or something like that.*

*I can't find a source, but I'm almost certain this is true.

[Alkhemia]

You can just stack ancients and farm that the mines do damage to them. Techies also has a really good int gain and is a Int hero so once you get some items up can do some pretty good damage and the siege damage stuff was taken out a while ago they do hero damage like normal.

[TempAcc]

Techies dont need to farm but any item that improves their mana and maybe movespeed would work, euls would prob be really useful, and allow you to send someone flying and put a stunning trap right under them, so they trigger it as they fall.

[crazysheep]

Euls is also good for the movespeed bonus.

Also bloodstone is a good idea on paper - reduced cooldown on death timer which synergises with suicide bombing - but do you guys think it will work in practice? (takes quite a bit of investment to farm up)

[Thexor]

I wouldn't suggest it. Bloodstone requires a lot of farm, so it's only suitable if you get a great start. Also, you don't gain charges from global-range kills (i.e. mining anything not right next to you), and you'd lose charges every time you suicided. Once you run out of charges, Bloodstone is a very mediocre item.

On the other hand, even at 0 charges, it's a 500 HP heal when you suicide...

[frostshotgg]

Bloodstone is almost never the right decision, as I discovered a couple games ago. "Oh, I'm ridiculously fed early as Zeus. I should get bloodstone instead of going force staff into aghs!" I got a ridiculously early bloodstone, and I seemed to fall ridiculously behind because of it. I don't think I went above 10 stacks that game after getting an insane start, something like 9/1/2 before bloodstone.

[Thexor]

It's really only a good item if you need infinite mana. Lots of mana required? Euls and/or Sheepstick (or even an Orchid) will solve that. It's when you can use literally endless amounts of mana, and get lots of kills with said mana, that Bloodstone becomes amazing.

Mainly, that means Storm Spirit and Leshrac, both of whom have a near-limitless potential to turn mana into death thanks to their ultimates. Timbersaw is another good Bloodstone carrier, if you get an amazing early game (though it was better before he got an Int buff and other items became viable).


Speaking of which... Bloodstone on Death Prophet. I keep seeing people build it, and I have no clue why. Even spammed 24/7, Crypt Swarm doesn't require Bloodstone-level regen, and the item doesn't have any obvious synergies with any of her other abilities. Am I missing something here?

[frostshotgg]

Actually, I think so, although I'm not entirely certain what it is. Bloodstone on DP is one of the few ones that feel right, but I could not for the life of me say why. Probably because she needs tankiness to be able to walk into the enemy team with her ult up and not immediately die, and then the death timer for when she does drop.

[umiman]

Speaking of DP, did you guys know if you wanted to maximize your damage to towers you should stand in melee range to it?

Basically each ghost acts like a dwarf. They carry one instance of damage and must do some funky pathing around you before they get to attack again. So if you're in melee range to your target, they will just refresh almost instantly.