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frostshotgg

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Re: Dota 2 - Three spirits update!
« Reply #165 on: November 16, 2013, 04:29:30 pm »

Riki is pretty meh right now because he has the single worst stealth in the game (Even Treant's is better.) and doesn't have a some of the tools other melee hypercarrys get like Faceless or Antimage.
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« Reply #166 on: November 16, 2013, 06:04:38 pm »

Egh don't support anyone who wouldn't even lift a finger to help you is what I say. These type of games are full of selfish little pricks, no need to feed the bad behavior by serving them.

On another note is there some form of personal rating and matchmaking based on it? Am hoping to get some more interesting games. At least lane with someone who knows more then to only auto attack.
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« Reply #167 on: November 16, 2013, 06:14:19 pm »

There is a hidden matchmaking rating, which appears to be based off the ELO system. It's hidden from public view, though - you can't see your rating, nor obviously the ratings of others. Valve employees can see your stats, and there was even a dev post where a developer examined replays where people claimed that matchmaking had been 'unfair', revealing the rating for each player and explaining why the matchmaking system believed the teams to be balanced.

Valve's been intentionally silent on the mechanics behind matchmaking and ratings. Whether that's a good decision or not is debatable, is all I'm going to say.  :)
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« Reply #168 on: November 16, 2013, 07:00:27 pm »

It is a good decision to keep it hidden. If ELO revealed, and was mostly influenced by X (say.. last hits, few deaths, high GPM) then all the little shits would focus on doing that, instead of trying to win the game.
If its APM, then people would spam that bloody mouse and get ganked by someone who just walks next to them, etc.

ELO should forever remain hidden.
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« Reply #169 on: November 16, 2013, 08:04:58 pm »

It's definitely positive that it and the mechanisms behind it are kept hidden. Aside from what Stworca said about people doing nothing but what it requires, there's also problems related to smurfing, as well as the inevitable "Oh really, 760 Elo? Well I have 770" stupid ass e-p0n0ring.

Side note: There's no such thing as ELO. Elo is the last name of the guy who invented the system, not an abbreviation.
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« Reply #170 on: November 16, 2013, 09:37:12 pm »

Egh don't support anyone who wouldn't even lift a finger to help you is what I say. These type of games are full of selfish little pricks, no need to feed the bad behavior by serving them.

On another note is there some form of personal rating and matchmaking based on it? Am hoping to get some more interesting games. At least lane with someone who knows more then to only auto attack.

There is and auto atacking its just prevalent on the low tiers, my advice (if you indeed "deserve" the rank up) is suport those asholes, becouse you can carry even as a suport, when the whole team is running like a headless chicken giving some pointers and reacting to what is happening it usually the only thing needed to change the game (specially at that bracket), getting ganked a lot? ward, riki is OP plz nerf? get dust/sentrys, they have a better line up late? call for the team to group and force teamfights, if you stop doing your role and just get a desolator on cristal maiden becouse they "dont deserve" to be suported, then you wont improve, as a player or in the matchmaker.
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« Reply #171 on: November 16, 2013, 10:43:05 pm »

Oh man, the diretide rewards are amazing. At the end of the game (Which is around 22 minutes max) you get 1 drop, and you get another if you win the candy round. You can get 1 of the grevil essences, or a recipe thing, which translates to a guaranteed item with quas wex and exort essences. That means that if you spend a few minutes shopping around if you get a double or an unusual essence you can get an item within something like 50 minutes. I've already gotten a mythical and a couple uncommons.
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« Reply #172 on: November 16, 2013, 11:14:00 pm »

ok, kinda liking the trading post update, minus so many new variables.. but still.
As for crafting, I like it and Diretide. Got me a cursed new jugg set shoulder already, plus a new set doom sword.
Oh, and anyone looking for Tidehunter shark fin? I got one, kinda prefer my common bones over it. it's quad ravages if anyone wants to set up a trade
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« Reply #173 on: November 17, 2013, 06:44:13 am »

Eh what's this low priority matchmaking? You get thrown in it after receiving reports? So any spiteful toxic player can throw around reports whenever they please, and you can get punished as a result? I hope I am misunderstanding this, because it sounds like a perverse punishment system. Say nothing but a friendly gl hf every match and get reported by some raging monkeys flinging reports as if they were handfuls of excrement? And I thought LoL's report system was backwards, at least they have employees sifting through the dribble there.

Seems like this low priority has some...special characters in it. I hope I don't catch the brain rot most in here seem to suffer from. And that I'm not stuck here for to long...
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« Reply #174 on: November 17, 2013, 11:17:13 am »

Eh what's this low priority matchmaking? You get thrown in it after receiving reports? So any spiteful toxic player can throw around reports whenever they please, and you can get punished as a result? I hope I am misunderstanding this, because it sounds like a perverse punishment system. Say nothing but a friendly gl hf every match and get reported by some raging monkeys flinging reports as if they were handfuls of excrement? And I thought LoL's report system was backwards, at least they have employees sifting through the dribble there.

Seems like this low priority has some...special characters in it. I hope I don't catch the brain rot most in here seem to suffer from. And that I'm not stuck here for to long...

Again, trying to blame outside factors for everything will keep you from improving in anything. Iv played at least 600 games and i only got muted once and got in the low priority once (for quiting), an i have to admit im not the example of politeness, im usually the more vocal member of the team and that includes some criticism, "orders" and why not just some plaing complains. You need to be reported multiple times in 48 hours and reports in the same game dont count, games where no reports against you where made balance this out, and there are other few things here and there in the report system. What im trying to say is: if you got low priority queue, dont shout at the system, ask where did you fucked up.
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« Reply #175 on: November 17, 2013, 12:46:55 pm »

Again, trying to blame outside factors for everything will keep you from improving in anything. Iv played at least 600 games and i only got muted once and got in the low priority once (for quiting), an i have to admit im not the example of politeness, im usually the more vocal member of the team and that includes some criticism, "orders" and why not just some plaing complains. You need to be reported multiple times in 48 hours and reports in the same game dont count, games where no reports against you where made balance this out, and there are other few things here and there in the report system. What im trying to say is: if you got low priority queue, dont shout at the system, ask where did you fucked up.

You bring an awfully high horse with you, but not an answer to the question. Is it based soly on report count (other then leaving, I can only remember one of those anyway), with no external moderation? I will also decline your offer of blind faith, thank you very much.
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« Reply #176 on: November 17, 2013, 01:07:04 pm »

Are you really acting like an asshole towards someone who wants to help you improve? Wow.
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« Reply #177 on: November 17, 2013, 01:33:08 pm »

Are you really acting like an asshole towards someone who wants to help you improve? Wow.
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« Reply #179 on: November 17, 2013, 02:19:13 pm »

Are you really acting like an asshole towards someone who wants to help you improve? Wow.

The new Veno is good at jungling (relatively), a big improvement from the old version, but when laning, the steady increase to ward bounty over the last XXX patches, makes it a risky process. If you don't win that mid lane, you lose twice as hard.
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