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Re: Dota 2 - TI4 ended. bow down to our new chinese overlords!
« Reply #765 on: August 28, 2014, 09:08:55 pm »

I thought that was just riki...
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« Reply #766 on: August 28, 2014, 09:10:40 pm »

Riki's pretty strong yo. He's like Ursa where if you get a good start you can roll all over the enemy. His backstab does crazy amounts of damage and the AOE silence + blind is strong as shit.

Of course, unlike Ursa... he can't actually jungle... or kill Rosh by himself... or control a lane incredibly well... or lane at all actually...

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« Reply #767 on: August 28, 2014, 09:11:58 pm »

Riki's not that bad, he's just got a bad rap for being good against noobs and not one of the few heroes who gets picked/banned in at least one out of every four pro games.

Of course, he's always drafted with Io for that smoke screen/blink strike/tether slow/silence wombo combo.

But then compare that to Huskar...

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« Reply #768 on: August 28, 2014, 09:18:28 pm »

Of course, unlike Ursa... he can't actually jungle... or kill Rosh by himself... or control a lane incredibly well... or lane at all actually...
So, uh. If he can't jungle, and can't lane... what's left? Being babysat?
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« Reply #769 on: August 28, 2014, 10:54:40 pm »

Same as Antimage. The best place for him is either against scrubs (because they don't know how to lane, and thus control him) or in a strong duo / trilane.

It's honestly not a bad strategy. You can find scrubbiness everywhere.

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« Reply #770 on: August 29, 2014, 02:48:45 am »

Riki's pretty strong yo. He's like Ursa where if you get a good start you can roll all over the enemy. His backstab does crazy amounts of damage and the AOE silence + blind is strong as shit.

Of course, unlike Ursa... he can't actually jungle... or kill Rosh by himself... or control a lane incredibly well... or lane at all actually...
Okay, he's bad at jungling and killing Roshan alone, but he's not a bad laner by any measure. Backstab lets him deny creeps like crazy, smoke is incredibly good at picking people off with some help. (That silence is really long, and has a slow!)

My group likes to do the classic Riki+Wisp combo, where Riki can blink strike a guy and immediately get the tether slow going. And then they're already dead. The bonus attack and move speed never hurt, either.

The point of Riki honestly isn't that he's invisible, when people draft him in higher level games. Sure, it's nice to force your opponents to get detection early on, but most teams are going to get a gem at some point for vision control whether there's a riki or not. The best part is the Smoke Cloud. That thing is ridiculous. It's a massive aoe, lasts longer than Disruptor's ultimate, is pretty darn spammable, and also forces your opponents to get a BKB (or MKB) against a hero that does no magic damage.
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« Reply #771 on: August 29, 2014, 08:09:19 am »

I can't ever seem to lose with riki, got a 8 win 0 loss track record with him so far. Don't even really like his design.

I'll agree that he is underrated because of his reputation as noob stomper. Besides being particularly good at stomping he actually has a pretty strong skillset that's hard to counter for many other heroes. He catches you in smoke you either run out and get hit by a bunch of backstabs (after which riki can simply restealth and do it again) or stand and fight but miss all your attacks.
That is, until Riki tries it on an enemy carry with monkey king bar, or he gets spotted before he can even make his move. He just gets countered so damn hard.
It's also hard to carry your team as a fat riki when pushing into enemy base. All those stealth detecting towers...
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« Reply #772 on: August 29, 2014, 05:33:18 pm »

Smoke cloud is crazy good.  I'm of the opinion that the invisibility is a really weak ultimate, considering Brooklyn Kurtz and Bounty Hunter effectively get it as a basic ability and Nyx effectively gets it with a giant nuke attached.

Smoke cloud is the real shit.  But yeah, I feel like he's probably along the same line as bloodseeker.  Stomps jags, weaker against competent players.  And since everyone who plays is 7k mmr and just held back by bad teammates, that means he's useless.

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« Reply #773 on: August 29, 2014, 05:55:31 pm »

Yeah, smoke butt is ridiculously good. The silence is insane and anybody without a mkb can't touch you.
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« Reply #774 on: August 29, 2014, 08:01:19 pm »

Smoke cloud is like the best aoe silence spell in the game that also makes you miss a lot , plus riki will do tons of damage regardless due to his backstab, even without lots of damage items since he has a good agi growth.  Too bad he's like the most boring hero I've ever played after phantom assassin and huskar. Even other noobstompers like slark and spirit breaker are more fun to play then him.
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« Reply #775 on: August 29, 2014, 08:49:08 pm »

Techies!

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Added Riki bot
Added Pudge bot
Added Axe bot

Can now alt-click items in enemy inventories to notify teammates that the enemy has them.

Among other amazing changes.
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« Reply #776 on: August 29, 2014, 09:04:31 pm »

Only next week though. A shame.
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« Reply #777 on: August 29, 2014, 09:08:57 pm »

They're available in the test client now I believe.

I already played Techies through mods. It's... not particularly fun. I probably just have no clue how to play him right.

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« Reply #778 on: August 29, 2014, 09:37:06 pm »

Oracle is also available for picking in the test client.

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« Reply #779 on: August 29, 2014, 09:55:56 pm »

Oracle is also available for picking in the test client.
I don't see it.
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