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[umiman]

I'm fairly certain the only reason why all my matches are very high is because all my friends all have thousands of games played while I only have about 400. I used to think I played a lot of Dota until I checked this.

e.g: http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1034452641

If people were to look me up in my matches they must think I'm smurfing.

[TempAcc]

I guess that makes sense. I barely play with friends and I've been playing almost since launch, but I only play it ocasionaly so I barely broke the 700 game mark

[Rez]

My understanding is that the 'skill' of the game is just some kind of average of the players' ELOs.   Generally speaking, your ELO should be within a few hundred points of the average, but finding games seems hard at very high and high, so you (3800) see plenty (one or two every ten is plenty) of games with 3600 and 4300 both.  I don't remember whether ELO ranges become tighter at lower skill levels.  That seems like a good sort of study for the bruno of pubstats.

You can generally make a good guess about someone's MMR based on their skill levels, though sometimes you get a high elo who's obviously drunk or something.  I guess that means MMR sort of works and does describe player skill roughly.

MMR is not based on games played (except for statistical precision) to my knowledge, but basically an ELO system for teams.  Basically, if you did well in your placement matches and play consistently well, there's no reason you can't be playing with 2000+game players that fast.  For every aliastar with 10k+ games, there are dozens or hundreds of people with that many games in marinara trench (I hope for the sake of my argument).  I'm curious to know if that interpretation of MMR is incorrect, as its mostly based on rumor and hearsay.

You really gotta play at least 2 games a night for weeks if you want to start stacking games up.  Maths.  If you've really got nothing going on, it wouldn't be hard to play 5 or 6 games a day and you're talking 42 games a week if you're doing that.

[Putnam]

It's not Elo; Elo is max 3000.

Hell, look:

A player whose rating is 100 points greater than their opponent's is expected to win 64% of the time; if the difference is 200 points, then the expected win proportion for the stronger player is 76%.

I highly doubt that I would win against a 1600 player 76% of the time.

[frostshotgg]

Elo should not be capitalized. It's not an acronym. It's a name. The guy who made the system's last name was Elo.

[tootboot]

Normal skill is basically everything below 2500 IIRC, high skill is everything below 3500 or so, very high is everything above that

I remember hearing it was 3300-3800 for high, and 3800 and above for very high

[Rez]

I was just speaking imprecisely when I was saying Elo; I meant the in-game MMR system valve gives us. 

If you're at 1800, how often do you see 1600 players?

[Putnam]

About once every 3 games, I think.

[TempAcc]

hundreds of people with that many games in marinara trench

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[Heron TSG]

I found the dotabuff of that streamer my stack got destroyed by. It makes sense that his winrate is so high because he's always in a party, but that is an assload of games. The fourth highest of anyone, dotabuff says, and with a far higher winrate than anyone else in the top 50. Usually matchmaking is good enough that I usually get matches where the teams are fairly even in skill. Sometimes, we find people that don't seem to know what they're doing at all. It was a pretty interesting experience being those people for once. I went and watched the VOD of the match on the guy's channel after he was done streaming for the night, and I have to say their teamwork was simply a lot better than ours. Partially because all of them actually used voice chat, and partially because they were really good at guessing where we'd be. During the match, I thought they had wards in certain places where teamfights happened, and when I watched the replay there were no wards in that area at all. One hell of a reality check.

[Rez]

Using voice really increases the amount of information you can share.  It's phenomenally better than text/pinging and still way, way better than macros.

There are only so many places you can go on the map and you're going to see all of them in all different ways if you play enough.  Juking is all about screwing around with other people's expectations of your location.

hundreds of people with that many games in marinara trench

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Thank you.  That guy is a real dotaphile, I guess.  Maybe we'll see his crew in a tournament sometime.

[coolio678]

I think that playing in a party with my friends has made me worse, or my concussion hit the "dota skills" part of my brain. A few of my friends are still extremely new to the game, and I just get the feeling that I get too relaxed thinking "the other team isn't even very good" (which has been proven wrong a couple times) and then not switching that mentality off once I go in for a solo game. That or my skill really has depreciated lately. Back when I played a bit of ranked (hovering between 2.8 and 3k) dotabuff showed up as high skill, but lately it's all been normal skill. Maybe it's just my mind trying to weasel myself out of responsibility.

[Malus]

God, I just played the most awful, drawn-out match of Dota. We had it won, 100% in the bag, by maybe the 25 minute mark when I was 10-0 as PA. I went mid against their Storm Spirit, and won the lane handily. We pushed lanes and took all their tier 2s well before 30 minutes. Then they turtled. A lot. Our Nature's Prophet refused to leave jungle until he was 6 slotted (his build was midas -> aghs -> refreshers) and we had a techies so the game was 3v5 for a long time, but I was 7 levels ahead of everyone and it didn't matter.

The one time I tried to break base, our Oracle used his ult on himself and I died, feeding the enemy team thousands of gold and multiple levels. Our Treant didn't build a blink so he couldn't initiate, which meant that task was left up to me. Despite my item and level advantage, I couldn't 1v5 the enemy team with a 5 second BKB. So I gave up. No point in trying to take rax until my supports had a few more items and could contribute more to a fight than by wasting their spells on themselves. We backed off, farmed all three lanes and both jungles. I gave Oracle space to farm a hex. Instead, he built a linkens. Okay. By the 50 minute mark, we still had no hex on our team. Every attempted teamfight was me jumping on Sniper (who'd built a very fast MKB) only to watch my teammates die to Spectre before I could do anything. Well, everyone except Nature's Prophet -- he was still in the jungle.

The game was nearly lost -- Spectre had built a butterfly and MKB and could easily solo me (I didn't have my MKB at the time) but as the enemy approached our mid tier 1 at the 65 minute mark, Spectre temporarily forgot she was playing against a Techies and was killed by an enormous stack of remote mines. I bought back, we pushed back to their base, I killed Sniper, Spectre bought back, Oracle... ulted himself and ran away, and then I died to Spectre. Around this time, I convinced Prophet to swap out his aghs for a sheepstick. After I respawned, Spectre, perhaps wanting an end to this torture, charged down midlane. NP teleported on her, hexed her, brought her down to maybe 2/3 health, then nearly died, as I was BoTsing in. I managed to first-hit bash her however, and so NP didn't die, we killed her, she was dead for well over 100 seconds, and we pushed to their ancient and won.

It was very nearly a complete and utter disaster. Here's the dotabuff. I'm sure I could've played much better, but everyone played horribly. Absolutely everyone. Games at ~3.3kMMR are actually just the worst. Everyone is so inconsistent. Item builds are awful, decision making is awful, communication is awful. Everyone goes on tilt every other match.

[EnigmaticHat]

Played my first game of DOTA not against bots.  I was worried I was going to embarrass myself but, ah, that turned out to be the wrong concern.

Playing with limited heroes, didn't realize Crystal Maiden was disallowed so I went with Wraith King because his ult is hilarious.  I wasn't sure if he was supposed to be a carry or a support but as it turns out that's irrelevant because no one went in lane with me.  The enemy team also only sent one hero into the lane, a Dragon Knight.  I did pretty well against him, killed him a few times mainly because he didn't expect me to resurrect.  Also may have not realized his dragon and human forms were the same person and thought the dragon was holding down the lane while he backed   Got a decent level advantage out of the whole thing.

Anyway, everyone else was all feeding all the time.  Two of the enemies d/ced, didn't matter.  When I finally fought the Dragon Knight again he was so fed that he killed me, killed me again, ran into our fountain after our sort-of carry, left at low health and was chased by said carry at half health, and then won the ensuing fight anyway while taking essentially 0 damage.

Here's the Dotabuff

[Putnam]

I wasn't sure if he was supposed to be a carry or a support but as it turns out that's irrelevant because no one went in lane with me.

That's the beauty of him. He can be either. Hell, you can play him in just about any role you want. There's not really any such thing as "supposed to be a carry or support", heroes are designed with a skillset in mind, not a role. Wraith King's skillset just happens to be so simple that he's super versatile.

The enemy team also only sent one hero into the lane, a Dragon Knight.  I did pretty well against him, killed him a few times mainly because he didn't expect me to resurrect.  Also may have not realized his dragon and human forms were the same person and thought the dragon was holding down the lane while he backed   Got a decent level advantage out of the whole thing.

Anyway, everyone else was all feeding all the time.  Two of the enemies d/ced, didn't matter.  When I finally fought the Dragon Knight again he was so fed that he killed me, killed me again, ran into our fountain after our sort-of carry, left at low health and was chased by said carry at half health, and then won the ensuing fight anyway while taking essentially 0 damage.

Here's the Dotabuff

wow you were in the trench of trenches there, even my games don't end up that weird

Then again, I actually have some games. My MMR is in the trenchier area of the trench (I.E actually below the worldwide average of ~2.5k instead of below the internet publord average of 4k), but that sounds like... new players, heh. I mostly play against bad players, not new ones.

EDIT: Also, wow, you need to attack towers more. Hell, everyone there does. Also, you need more last hits. Last hits last hits last hits. Kills are for denying enemies their farm, not for getting farm yourself (you lose gold upon dying). Even in games where I play a ward bitch, I tend to get some amount of last hits.

Speaking of which, that match I linked there is a friggin story. I'm not sure how we won, but damn if those BoTs I got in the last minute didn't help with the push at the end.