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Re: Bay12 Ebolastone watch: Possible international outbreak
« Reply #600 on: October 17, 2014, 03:53:55 pm »

I've received a document of my hospital's anti ebola measures. They are utter crap so if shit gets real I'm probably toast. Still I'll share the pics because they're hilarious
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Re: Bay12 Ebolastone watch: Possible international outbreak
« Reply #601 on: October 17, 2014, 04:24:33 pm »

Still I'll share the pics because they're hilarious
Hopefully that's legal, and hopefully they at least permit you to be super-fucking paranoid. Never stop wearing gloves and a mask, I guess, even when there are no patients in sight.
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Re: Bay12 Ebolastone watch: Possible international outbreak
« Reply #602 on: October 17, 2014, 04:28:45 pm »

Still I'll share the pics because they're hilarious
Hopefully that's legal, and hopefully they at least permit you to be super-fucking paranoid. Never stop wearing gloves and a mask, I guess, even when there are no patients in sight.

Gloves and a mask isn't gonna cut it when Ebola's around. 

Does Hallmark sell a card for Ebloa-related deaths?
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Re: Bay12 Ebolastone watch: Possible international outbreak
« Reply #603 on: October 17, 2014, 04:33:17 pm »

I've received a document of my hospital's anti ebola measures. They are utter crap so if shit gets real I'm probably toast. Still I'll share the pics because they're hilarious

Do share please, I want to see how utterly fail your hospital is (no offense to you or your colleagues though).

As for the Dallas hospital, apparently despite having lots of coverage, there was still a triangle shaped hole at neck level and the correct stuff was two weeks away. The nurse that did the interview on CNN said that she could have ordered some from amazon and have it in a few days (not the same as NEED NOW though) or ask another hospital or ask the local sanitary department or something for the equipment.

I have a feeling that the only ones who are truly ready and don't have utter crap procedures are the big name hospitals, the university hospitals, and research hospitals.
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Re: Bay12 Ebolastone watch: Possible international outbreak
« Reply #604 on: October 17, 2014, 04:37:44 pm »

I have a feeling that the only ones who are truly ready and don't have utter crap procedures are the big name hospitals, the university hospitals, and research hospitals.
I'm going to agree with that statement.  The tinier hospitals probably had to adhere to some standard that was set for Ebola, but didn't have the necessary resources to totally comply with them (or were overly greedy or skeptic it would ever spread across the ocean), so opted for enough to not get sued for compliance issues but aren't actually ready for a major crisis.

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Re: Bay12 Ebolastone watch: Possible international outbreak
« Reply #605 on: October 17, 2014, 04:39:32 pm »

I have a feeling that the only ones who are truly ready and don't have utter crap procedures are the big name hospitals, the university hospitals, and research hospitals.

Only 15, if I'm reading this right.  It's a level 4 biosafety level disease.  You need moon suits to be around it- think the type of stuff they used at Chernobyl.
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Re: Bay12 Ebolastone watch: Possible international outbreak
« Reply #607 on: October 17, 2014, 05:04:10 pm »

Ebola Contagion Tracker

The one in India doesn't say anything about whether the Japanese woman had been to Africa though.
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Re: Bay12 Ebolastone watch: Possible international outbreak
« Reply #608 on: October 17, 2014, 05:17:22 pm »

think the type of stuff they used at Chernobyl.
You're way to optimistic about soviet safety precautions.
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Re: Bay12 Ebolastone watch: Possible international outbreak
« Reply #609 on: October 17, 2014, 05:21:46 pm »

What about the Japanese one, then? Fujimora or whatever?
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Re: Bay12 Ebolastone watch: Possible international outbreak
« Reply #610 on: October 17, 2014, 05:28:04 pm »

Still I'll share the pics because they're hilarious
Hopefully that's legal, and hopefully they at least permit you to be super-fucking paranoid. Never stop wearing gloves and a mask, I guess, even when there are no patients in sight.

Gloves and a mask isn't gonna cut it when Ebola's around. 
Perhaps not, but given that it's transmitted by fluids it'll help a damn lot and it's about all you can do with your own efforts without violating most hospital dress codes, something something bitter twist of irony something something.

Unless they also let you wear goggles, in which case that too. But, yeah. Just... yeah. Not good.
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In the days when Sussman was a novice, Minsky once came to him as he sat hacking at the PDP-6.
“What are you doing?”, asked Minsky. “I am training a randomly wired neural net to play Tic-Tac-Toe” Sussman replied. “Why is the net wired randomly?”, asked Minsky. “I do not want it to have any preconceptions of how to play”, Sussman said.
Minsky then shut his eyes. “Why do you close your eyes?”, Sussman asked his teacher.
“So that the room will be empty.”
At that moment, Sussman was enlightened.

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Re: Bay12 Ebolastone watch: Possible international outbreak
« Reply #611 on: October 17, 2014, 05:41:54 pm »

Unless they also let you wear goggles

The goggles do nothing.
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Re: Bay12 Ebolastone watch: Possible international outbreak
« Reply #612 on: October 17, 2014, 05:48:03 pm »

So I was on the phone with my mom last night. She's been working for more than six years nurse, and she was telling me about their Ebola quarantine procedures at the hospital. She was on the phone at work so it's not classified. She said in all her time she's never seen a procedure as severe as this one (which may come as obvious to you).

+ The patient is interred in an isolated room
+ Each patient is assigned two nurses (they have to volunteer for the duty)
    - Nurse 1 needs to observe Nurse 2 assume her protective gear (double suit, second oversuit is pressurized, double gloves, double taped seams, particle mask, protective eyewear, special boots and overshoes)
    - When Nurse 2 is finished treating the patient Nurse 1 basically hoses her with bleach and observes her doff her protective gear and dispose of it
+ No labs or other observational tests are to be conducted on the patient
+ The patient is not to receive any IVs or medication
+ If the patient codes no one is to respond

The patients also were not to be assigned an observational physician.
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Re: Bay12 Ebolastone watch: Possible international outbreak
« Reply #613 on: October 17, 2014, 05:58:36 pm »

So I was on the phone with my mom last night. She's been working for more than six years nurse, and she was telling me about their Ebola quarantine procedures at the hospital. She was on the phone at work so it's not classified. She said in all her time she's never seen a procedure as severe as this one (which may come as obvious to you).

+ The patient is interred in an isolated room
+ Each patient is assigned two nurses (they have to volunteer for the duty)
    - Nurse 1 needs to observe Nurse 2 assume her protective gear (double suit, second oversuit is pressurized, double gloves, double taped seams, particle mask, protective eyewear, special boots and overshoes)
    - When Nurse 2 is finished treating the patient Nurse 1 basically hoses her with bleach and observes her doff her protective gear and dispose of it
+ No labs or other observational tests are to be conducted on the patient
+ The patient is not to receive any IVs or medication
+ If the patient codes no one is to respond

The patients also were not to be assigned an observational physician.

I can understand them not wanting to risk contamination, but I question the ethics of not giving the patient any meds or IV. In fact, isn't loss of fluid the main danger of Ebola? Aside from the organ faliure and bleeding from every orfice.

Sounds like the isolation room may as well be a deathbed and a morgue for your moms hospital.

I have a feeling that there are going to be varying degrees of that severity coming out. Sort of the tl;dr of that is, give up modern practices and methods of treatment :/
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Re: Bay12 Ebolastone watch: Possible international outbreak
« Reply #614 on: October 17, 2014, 06:31:08 pm »

Extreme situations call for extreme measures.

I'm not super worried about ebola but I'm more worried about disease in general now that I've seen how we're dealing with this one.  We got lucky ebola is relatively hard to transmit.  Something aerobic (Spanish flu or god forbid pneumonic plague or some shit) would've been a beyond-unprecedented catastrophe.
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