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VoidedWarranty

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Can Dwarven Wine Freeze?
« on: September 28, 2013, 10:57:53 am »

So I was playing my 3rd fortress ever, winter of the 6th or 7th year, and I started to get messages about how one of my dorfs had died of thirst. I thought, huh, that's a bit odd, maybe he was stuck, but I found his corpse in the middle of the fort, bustling around with all the rest of my dorfs. I checked my stocks and production orders and I had over 60 drink with one set of 15 and one of 30 in the manager, waiting to be produced. My waters were frozen over and there was a giant olm in the caves so they couldn't get water from there, but I had enough drink to keep my dwarves alive, they just wouldn't drink it, leaving me with a half dead fortress of tantruming dwarves. Seeing how the winter wasn't yet over and given my lack of experience I abandoned after determining there was nothing I could do to make them drink, but I would like to know what went on then and how to avoid it for the future.
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Re: Can Dwarven Wine Freeze?
« Reply #1 on: September 28, 2013, 11:03:49 am »

I think milk can freeze. I suppose wine can do it too.
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Cool, but wouldn't this likely lead to tongues having a '[SPEACH]' tag, and thus via necromancy we would have nearly unkillable reanimated tongues following necromancers spamming 'it is sad but not unexpected'?

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Re: Can Dwarven Wine Freeze?
« Reply #2 on: September 28, 2013, 11:05:35 am »

Any idea how to stop it?
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Re: Can Dwarven Wine Freeze?
« Reply #3 on: September 28, 2013, 11:08:19 am »

Is your stockpile inside? I think inside should be warm.
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Cool, but wouldn't this likely lead to tongues having a '[SPEACH]' tag, and thus via necromancy we would have nearly unkillable reanimated tongues following necromancers spamming 'it is sad but not unexpected'?

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Re: Can Dwarven Wine Freeze?
« Reply #4 on: September 28, 2013, 11:24:47 am »

It was, which is why I was so surprised to see "Urist McThirsty has died of thirst" in my anouncements.
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Re: Can Dwarven Wine Freeze?
« Reply #5 on: September 28, 2013, 11:35:10 am »

Each barrel can only be used by one dwarf at any moment, so even if you have enough drinks a dwarf can die waiting for his turn at the barrel.
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Re: Can Dwarven Wine Freeze?
« Reply #6 on: September 28, 2013, 11:48:18 am »

Only 60 drinks in your 7th year? No wonder they're dying. Tell the still the Brew Drink on repeat and only pay attention when you run out of barrels or plants. Even if they're drinking water, they won't survive without adequate alcohol, period.
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Re: Can Dwarven Wine Freeze?
« Reply #7 on: September 28, 2013, 11:51:41 am »

Only 60 drinks in your 7th year? No wonder they're dying. Tell the still the Brew Drink on repeat and only pay attention when you run out of barrels or plants. Even if they're drinking water, they won't survive without adequate alcohol, period.

and to handle the 'repeat' kicking off from barrel/pot or 'distillable plant shortage go ahead and queue up several brew drink on repeat at the still
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« Reply #8 on: September 28, 2013, 11:57:35 am »

and to handle the 'repeat' kicking off from barrel/pot or 'distillable plant shortage go ahead and queue up several brew drink on repeat at the still

Often, this results in every 'repeat' job being cancelled at once as the dwarf claims the same item he already has and realizes there still isn't any of the other. In this situation, your best bet is actually queuing up another heap of Brew jobs through the manager, then checking back when you've made more barrels or rock pots/gathered some plants successfully.
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Re: Can Dwarven Wine Freeze?
« Reply #9 on: September 28, 2013, 12:08:53 pm »

Will do. Thanks for the advice!
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Re: Can Dwarven Wine Freeze?
« Reply #10 on: September 28, 2013, 12:11:52 pm »

Alcohol freezes at 50U below the cold damage point of most dwarven tissues, and 150U below the freezing point of water. The game will not generate areas at this temperature unless you alter the temperature settings yourself.
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Re: Can Dwarven Wine Freeze?
« Reply #11 on: September 28, 2013, 01:12:53 pm »

Are you producing only wine/few other drinks? I believe that if a dwarf has become tired of drinking the same old booze for a while, they may stop drinking altogether.
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« Reply #12 on: September 28, 2013, 01:32:41 pm »

Are you producing only wine/few other drinks? I believe that if a dwarf has become tired of drinking the same old booze for a while, they may stop drinking altogether.

That's a myth, dwarfs will not kill themselves just to escape 'same old provisions' thoughts.
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« Reply #13 on: September 28, 2013, 03:33:15 pm »

Are you producing only wine/few other drinks? I believe that if a dwarf has become tired of drinking the same old booze for a while, they may stop drinking altogether.

That's a myth, dwarfs will not kill themselves just to escape 'same old provisions' thoughts.

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Re: Can Dwarven Wine Freeze?
« Reply #14 on: September 28, 2013, 03:45:42 pm »

Are you playing the most recent version? I know in the older versions alcohol required water to make or something, and the freezing would muck things up (probably.)
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