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alexandertnt

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Re: Need a "new" car...
« Reply #15 on: October 09, 2013, 05:55:27 am »

I had a look at the BMW and they seem interesting. Unfortunetely there are less of them near me, but there are a few. I will keep an eye out. What would the spare parts and repair cost be though? (There is no such thing as an indestructable car).

I have also searched around for some "landbarges" and found this in particular. The price allows for a hypothetical LPG install i think (having issues finding concrete prices on LPG installs though. Plus then there is the LPG types (liquid, vapour etc)). I have yet to really test out a "landbarge".

Is there much of a difference between front-wheen and rear-wheen drive? I noticed that the BMW is rear-wheel drive.
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Re: Need a "new" car...
« Reply #16 on: October 09, 2013, 07:26:27 am »

Camaro. The answer is always Camaro.

But seriously, go take a look at all of them, check for rust, drive test it, check the oil, take a look underneath and pick the one you're most confident in.
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Re: Need a "new" car...
« Reply #17 on: October 09, 2013, 10:12:04 am »

I have no clue about Australian prices, but I never broke the bank on my 10-16 year old BMW on repairs/maintenance. Because the expensive parts are so solidly built, you'll mostly see cheaper repairs, like brakes, suspension, wheel hubs, etc. If you're really cheap and dedicated, you can do the repairs yourself mostly. The cars are fairly easy to work with. In those six years (10yo-16yo, 80K-140K), I did:
- control arm ($100+ ea.)
- shock mount ($15 ea.)
- springs ($50 ea., at purchase)
- water pump ($55)
- radiator (<$150, didn't actually, but wanted to)
- brake rotors/pads (few times, $30/25 ea.)
- random suspension bushings/etc (generally nothing in parts)
- wheel hub ($80 didn't bother and just dealt with the noise for a couple years actually)
And I BEAT THAT CAR every second I drove it, just about as hard as you can outside a track.

There are a lot of online websites. Here's the one I used exclusively for repair parts: bimmerparts.com

Also, the forums: bimmerforums.com. You might just find good deals on parts there as wrecked cars regularly get parted out to members. Also there are group buys on lots of things, so a little patience for non-essential repairs can pay off well. And, yeah, they sell cars too.

Find me a Civic with just that over that period in its life, and a Civic that got:
- 2 trees fell on it
- hit by a tornado
- near-totaled in a front collision
- hit twice more afterward, once in front once in side
And after all that it still felt like when I first got it.
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Re: Need a "new" car...
« Reply #18 on: October 09, 2013, 10:23:12 am »

Is there much of a difference between front-wheen and rear-wheen drive? I noticed that the BMW is rear-wheel drive.
Basically, unless you want to track the car (in which case there's a reason you don't see much FWD in performance cars), it's only an issue in bad conditions: snow, ice, and sand. For the first two, snow tires (anyone driving in a proper winter without these is crazy, fyi). Ask yourself how many times you might get stuck in the mud or sand each month. If a lot, then you want AWD or at least FWD. If not really at all, then where the power comes out is a non-issue since you don't get a proper winter down unda.

The only other thing is don't power through turns (esp in rain) too much since there's a real chance the back end will slide out, but with a small, economical engine (2.0L) that's a very small concern unless you drive really hard.
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Re: Need a "new" car...
« Reply #19 on: October 09, 2013, 12:00:14 pm »

You would get just as much good quality car out of a Audi or Volkswagen as you would a BMW, but for a slightly better price. They all have a similar design philosophy, with the main difference that BMW focus on rear wheel drive performance, Audi like AWD, and VW are more into hatchbacks and FWD. All 3 will rust into nothing before breaking down in a big way though.

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Re: Need a "new" car...
« Reply #20 on: October 09, 2013, 12:14:41 pm »

You would get just as much good quality car out of a Audi or Volkswagen as you would a BMW, but for a slightly better price. They all have a similar design philosophy, with the main difference that BMW focus on rear wheel drive performance, Audi like AWD, and VW are more into hatchbacks and FWD. All 3 will rust into nothing before breaking down in a big way though.

Heheh. Not always true. Some audis are rock-solid but the Audi/VW group sometimes gets carried away with making things fiddly and complex. Granted that does make some amazing machines when they work but my A6-based '03 allroad does require a decent amount of maintenance. The front control arms are mind-bogglingly complex (I still don't understand them) but the result is quite glorious handling.

If you can do work yourself, old audis/VWs are a good bet. You can get them pretty cheap. People are getting rid of old ones here in the states because our terrible dealer network will charge you $7000 for a freaking timing belt change.
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Re: Need a "new" car...
« Reply #21 on: October 09, 2013, 12:45:29 pm »

Especially if you can find a decent a VW Golf, or Audi A3 or A4.

$7000? That is insane. The part here would cost less than £200, and even though its a fiddly job, the labour would be less than a half day, maximum. On some Audi models you have to remove the entire front bodywork to sort a timing belt, but even then I cant see how that would cost £3000ish.

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Re: Need a "new" car...
« Reply #22 on: October 09, 2013, 10:17:02 pm »

Check out reliabilityindex.com. They have good comparisons available. They don't go into much detail on specific parts, but you get a general idea. I did a comparison of the 3-series, A3, Corolla, Civic, and Focus.

The 3-series overall reliability was lower, but its age/mileage were equally higher. I tend to think those're more important as a general figure. Time spent off the road (=difficulty of repairs) was fairly low, but on par with everything but the Corolla (much lower) and A3 (much higher, it's total repair costs were also much higher).

The 3-series really suffers in suspension issues, which is likely where most of that unreliability is coming from. Those are typically moderately cheap parts and quick repairs, and are issues that will happen with higher mileage/older cars. This isn't apples-apples since the BMWs are significantly older/more used than the others, as I said before.

For engine, the A3 is much worse, the Corolla much better. They don't go into detail on this, so "engine" could mean something like a water pump (or do they count that in cooling? - cheap and easy fix) or one of those "tear apart half the engine to fix it" things that cost a ton (I don't think the BMWs suffer from those issues much). The BMW also has fuel system issues, but that probably just means a bad fuel pump. The one place is shines is transmission - basically no issues. Corolla suffers there, and the A3 has tons of problems.

From those stats, A3 seems like a really finicky car, Corolla seems the clear reliability champ (though this may be misleading), and the others are fairly close, though I think with the 3-series' considerably higher age/mileage, it's the clear second place. Ultimately, if a lot of people are keeping their BMWs longer and using them more before doing repairs, that's saying something in itself. That said, the Corolla has a slightly higher age with much lower mileage (it was the lowest mileage of the group, 43K, while BMW led at 59K).

So, the BMWs last longer on the road, but then you get a lot of suspension and other minor issues cropping up. Drivetrain is super-solid, engine I think it's mostly minor repairs there. Because suspension work isn't too hard with the right tools (the hard part really is getting the car high enough to work on it), the BMWs make for good choices for DIY types (especially because they're fairly ergonomically designed for repair, I think).
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Re: Need a "new" car...
« Reply #23 on: October 14, 2013, 06:23:10 am »

Ok, thinking about checking this out:

http://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/Ford-Mondeo-2008/SSE-AD-699172/?Cr=46&sdmvc=1

Its a diesel, and it gets very good write ups online (as far as I can see).

Any thoughts?
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Re: Need a "new" car...
« Reply #24 on: October 14, 2013, 09:50:38 am »

Ok, thinking about checking this out:

http://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/Ford-Mondeo-2008/SSE-AD-699172/?Cr=46&sdmvc=1

Its a diesel, and it gets very good write ups online (as far as I can see).

Any thoughts?

Ford = Good.
Mondeo = Good as far as sedans go.
Diesel = Good.

Seems like a sound pick. Not the biggest boot in it but likely not a problem for you.
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Re: Need a "new" car...
« Reply #25 on: October 14, 2013, 04:36:58 pm »

I will try to see if I can get he price to 10.5k, or something around that.

Also, thats the hatch model and supposedly has a massive boot, according to online reviews (not that it is all that important).
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Re: Need a "new" car...
« Reply #26 on: October 14, 2013, 07:48:30 pm »

I will try to see if I can get he price to 10.5k, or something around that.

Also, thats the hatch model and supposedly has a massive boot, according to online reviews (not that it is all that important).

You're right. I didn't take a close look at the pics.
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