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[10ebbor10]

As a side note, the radar is not place able on the ships for the moment. It's very prototypical, and will break if so much as sneezed at.

[Aseaheru]

Well, thats gonna be a proposal. Hang on for it.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

On 400 ton torpedo boat with half of it on enhine

12 short-ranged torpedo tubes - 9 tons
24 short-ranged torpedoes  - 12 tons
4 long range tubes - 12 tons
8 long range torpedoes - 16 tons
AA - something like 20 tons
80mm gun
100 tons.

BTW, Protector has 40% of it's displacement used on engine, it works...

That's possible. Armor will be problem here, yes

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More nimble fighter? Rearm ravens   Seriously, we already chose nimble fighter role
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Funk, I think your  ship will be slower... Also I think that 15mm are more cost effective machineguns
Also not sure that 30mm is that good idea...  Also, 80mm guns aren't that great
Finally prototype radar is too large to fit on any ship

BTW we need ASW development! NOW
We need sonar
We need hedgehogs\air dropable depth charges\


Tarcius
a) It is good, but redundant... While better than Osprey it is likely more costly and not much better in overall... No need for one more CAS aircraft... I want level bomber\transport for this turn...

[10ebbor10]

Don't forget the Sovjet blueprints you bought. I mean, those might be interesting.

[Aseaheru]

Yes, we should make some airships for scouting and loading up crow isle with shit.

[Patrick Hunt]

No airships, no no no no no no no.

[Taricus]

What it does UR, is give us a much more effective and powerful anti-ship aircraft. It can carry more torpedoes, more armour  and more fuel. And the fact that the rockets can be mounted onto the Ospreys means that the new bomber can take over for tactical bombings and ship hunting while the Osprey can be relegated into a CAS role. And it does give us a two-engine aircraft frame to play with.

EDIT: UR, you may want to make it four 900Kw engines on the wings. Might not be as effective otherwise.

[Aseaheru]

Really, whats wrong with airships? Heck, every army and its grandma is getting one now.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

Spoiler: Story of a pilot, part three (click to show/hide)

They call me an ace, technically that's true, I killed  nine enemy aircrafts, but comparing to some guys I know that managed to score several dozens of kills, I am not that cool. Morovian pilots are idiots that allow themselves to be used like that... Capitalist bastards want to win war by numbers alone sending that poor souls in that wooden parody of an aircraft. At least that what I though before I encountered Lightings*

We encountered them when my wing was ordered to attack enemy task group, More than half of Ospreys available, escorted by a hundreds of Ravens, largest group of aircraft  we ever gathered, went to meat a force of four enemy cruisers, escorted by a dozen of destroyers and almost a hundred of smaller ships, we knew that they headed to intercept our lone cruiser, a well setup trap. But not ours

This time no one carried torpedoes, attacking that group from low attitude is a clear suicide,  bombs. As usual we approached from a safe attitude where Torches would never reach, preparing to dive on that large, steaming monsters under us. And suddenly I noticed something above us... No, that can't be a bandit. But it was. " Spread out!" I screamed when I understood that some unknown enemy attacking us in a way we attacked Torches month back.
That was a small wing of enemy fighters. Only four of them. But they never had any trouble to pick up our Ospreys heavy from bombs carried, one, two, three, five... That reminded me that awful day when I was caught by Torches

"I request permission to drop bombs to engage in dogfight" One of my wingmen requested, but I couldn't allow that " Denied, dive lower, under protection of ravens. We can't abort the attack on cruisers" And we dived,  losiong two more aircrafts before reaching Ravens... They never understood why we made that maneuer, Ravens don't have radios, so attack from the new fighter was as surprising for them as it is for us, several of our escorts got shot down, before they had any chance to react, seven Ravens got shot down, and then this four bastards retreated without any loses.

We met no opposition until we reached enemy cruisers, but as we prepeared for the dive, we noticied like two hundreds of Torches and a dozen of those new fighters... I wanted to stay here and help our escort, but I couldn't, from death high in the skies, we, Ospreys, dived to the death below

We were met with fierce AA fire, many of us was picked up by enemy fighters before, but Mordovian navy will remember that day for a long time, as they remember failed assault. We sunk to smaller cruisers and badly damaged a large one (I heard it was finished by our sub later that day) but our battle was far from finished. Everyone who survived the dive and disengaging, went back to that hell above our heads. To help our brave escort that were losing it's battle......


*New twin-engined fighters of the enemy*

[Ukrainian Ranger]

What it does UR, is give us a much more effective and powerful anti-ship aircraft. It can carry more torpedoes, more armour  and more fuel. And the fact that the rockets can be mounted onto the Ospreys means that the new bomber can take over for tactical bombings and ship hunting while the Osprey can be relegated into a CAS role. And it does give us a two-engine aircraft frame to play with.

EDIT: UR, you may want to make it four 900Kw engines on the wings. Might not be as effective otherwise.

I fail to see how it's much better. While it can carry more torpedoes, I'd prefer one torpedo per aircraft. It can't be used as a dive bomber, it costs more. It's less manuevarable, heavier and not a fact that faster ( rear machineguns hurting aerodynamics, two men crew and stuff like that)

As for engines, lighter engines are... lighter and smaller. don't compromise wing much, make aircraft easier to balance and make while four powerful engines on the wings require much more complex engenieering. Finally, we don't need heavy bombers, ranges not that great and they are hard to design and produce, so it's either two heavy engines or that ahistorical setup
Finally if we go scrapping ravens route, we'll get many unused engines

[Aseaheru]

And I like that idea.

[Patrick Hunt]

More importantly then any of that, we need an air superiority fighter first, the Sparrow is out matched by the enemy plane and it won't be long before they scrap construction of the biwing to focus on it bringing them equal to us in production most likely.

We need something that outmatches the enemy fighter not something thats requires good back up to win.

[Aseaheru]

Exactly.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

More importantly then any of that, we need an air superiority fighter first, the Sparrow is out matched by the enemy plane and it won't be long before they scrap construction of the biwing to focus on it bringing them equal to us in production most likely.

We need something that outmatches the enemy fighter not something thats requires good back up to win.

a) We still can outproduce them with sparrows, our turn to use numbers. By definition single engined is cheaper than twin engined
b) Lighter fighters armed with weak machineguns as you propose is the worst possible solution to fight enemy heavy fighters

[Patrick Hunt]

A fighter that is a damn site harder to hit and fighters armor tends to be light enough that 4 10mm guns would be more then enough to shred it.

Lighter and able to run circles around the enemy fighter to keep it busy combined with the sparrows heavier guns is a perfect combo.