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[10ebbor10]

Depends on the definition of warcrime. The terrorist diversion attack would apply, providing you're attacking civilian populations.

The false flag operation is probably forbidden somewhere too.

[evilcherry]

Again, I never said anything about committing any war crimes, not even once. Would you like to point where I mentioned war crimes?

"and send our captured ships loaded with infantry carrying AT mines and HMG into a civilian dock"
Smuggling of troops in a civil vessel under a false identity. If I were the defense minister of Moldavia I'd just make this world news and turn the war to their favour.


Don't fool me, St Nazaire Raid is definitely a war crime that just went unpunished.

[3_14159]

"Modern laws of war regarding conduct during war (jus in bello), such as the 1949 Geneva Conventions, provide that it is unlawful for belligerents to engage in combat without meeting certain requirements, among them the wearing of a distinctive uniform or other distinctive signs visible at a distance, and the carrying of weapons openly. Impersonating soldiers of the other side by wearing the enemy’s uniform is allowed, though fighting in that uniform is unlawful perfidy, as is the taking of hostages." [1]

If you want to continue this discussion on a factual basis, feel free to answer the points I've raised.

[1]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rules_of_war

[10ebbor10]

That's the 1949 convention though.

Naval war has older rules however, which say that false flag operations are allowed provided the false flag is lowered and the true flag raised before the battle is initiated.

[Patrick Hunt]

So basically virtually every special forces unit on the planet has already and continues to break the rules of war because it's common for them to use concealed weapons and use civilian clothing to avoid detection. Every revolution in the last few years is also a war crime because they where in civilian clothing not uniforms.
That rule has never held up in war and it's highly unlikely that it ever will. Playing fair takes a back seat to gaining tactical advantages over your enemy when it comes to stupid rules like that.

And we're a long way off from 1949.

[3_14159]

That's the 1949 convention though.

Naval war has older rules however, which say that false flag operations are allowed provided the false flag is lowered and the true flag raised before the battle is initiated.

You're right. That happens when one doesn't read those sources very good... So here's the Hague Convention of 1899, Article 23:
"Besides the prohibitions provided by special Conventions, it is especially prohibited: [...] To make improper use of a flag of truce, the national flag, or military ensigns and the enemy's uniform, as well as the distinctive badges of the Geneva Convention; " [1]

[1] http://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_century/hague02.asp

[Aseaheru]

For navies you could do anything upto saying you are a distress or firing under false colors.
Also officers had to wear there uniforms.

[Patrick Hunt]

Other then in covert operations where every military force on the planet use civilian clothing and concealed weaponry to carry it out.

Because attempting to infiltrate an enemy nation wearing a military uniform carrying a gun over your shoulder is complete idiocy.
That rule has never actually been followed in any war since the day it was invented because it is impossible.
You can not send soldier on long term covert operations in uniform with a nice insignia and a rifle.

They go in civilian clothing with small concealed weapons because it's the only way you can do it. 

[Ukrainian Ranger]

I'm new to RTD and Roleplay games and only looked this up because the AC group I play with isn't fitting me very well.

Interesting

I played AC's where you played against other players did your actions in secret and then waited for the outcome.

The same tactic I wanted is one I used 13 times to date with total success every time.

Either you was a GM, or that game had quite shitty GMs
And if you used same tactics 13 times among the same set of players... That's weird

[Patrick Hunt]

IT was done through secret actions..... meaning they had 0 warning and couldn't afford to bog down a huge number of forces to defend every single dock every single day during a war.

[Aseaheru]

We still cant really do it. Now, if we used our own ships, and started fighting before we reached the piers, and wore our own uniforms...

[Patrick Hunt]

Then the entire tactical is gone and it's just another frontal assault.

[10ebbor10]

Still wondering how they managed not noticing that a lost convoy suddenly turned up in their harbor.

[Aseaheru]

Point is good.

[Patrick Hunt]

They didn't have a lost one turning up.

I used a jammer to prevent them alerting anybody they'd been attacked and sank them all.
I used ships I'd taken previously from other convoys I'd destroy to form my own convoy and when it got close used flag signals to inform the harbor security that our convoy had been attacked and our radio was out of action.
That got me into the dock, then I had men in civis unloading cargo and brought the harbor master onto the ship and quietly killed him so his men and the guards didn't react because they had no reason to think anything was wrong.

The first sign they had was after groups of my men had spread out and pulled concealed weapons by which point it was far to late and most of the ports security was gunned down without ever knowing they were under attack.

Stealth and aggressive action has always carried me through because I hit to hard and to fast for them to counter.