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Ukrainian Ranger

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Re: [Discussion] The Glorious Design Bureau of the People
« Reply #660 on: October 09, 2013, 04:17:48 am »

He is not a bomber pilot, he is a fighter pilot who was assigned on more important mission than air superiority. Killing ships. And yep he is an ace. If I'll continue that, I'll try to get him into the sparrow.

When he got Osprey he understood that it is as good as Raven in fighter role: Radios to coordinate the wing better, higher speed, much better diving speed (due to weight and max attack angle) and higher resilience make it superior to raven at high attitudes, while maneuverability (and numbers) make Ravens superior lower.  Plus I assumed that a) enemy pilots tend to be less experienced b) Enemy has no idea about abilities of that strange new aircraft  c) after losing his former wing the pilot trained his subordinates to dogfight in a proper way( forgot to mention that in the story)
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« Reply #661 on: October 09, 2013, 06:04:38 am »

Anyway I guess the Osprey got a reputation of Ju 88.

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« Reply #662 on: October 09, 2013, 01:17:07 pm »

Update.

Additionally, I really appreciate the stories. Might write some myself, if I have time.
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« Reply #663 on: October 09, 2013, 01:36:32 pm »

...I'd like to point out that our 15mm machine guns aren't exactly machine guns at all. They're more like autocanons in their own right, between the length and velocity of the round O.O
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« Reply #664 on: October 09, 2013, 01:44:04 pm »

...I'd like to point out that our 15mm machine guns aren't exactly machine guns at all. They're more like autocanons in their own right, between the length and velocity of the round O.O
It kinda is. Additionally, I've been way to nice not to tell anyone that I forgot a zero in the weight.
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« Reply #665 on: October 09, 2013, 01:45:40 pm »

How has the sparrow done against the enemy biplane?

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« Reply #666 on: October 09, 2013, 01:48:14 pm »

All right, analysis time:
Land unknown.
Air: We need to stop the Raven production right now and only produce the sparrow. We can produce 225 per year using only the fighter complex, that is enough to stop the enemy with their 50 fighter (+200 biwing) per turn production.
Sea: It's a tie. With all military production and sinking, we both grew last turn by about fourteen thousand tons naval tonnage (though their subs make this a bit more unknown).

Priorities as I see them:
- Develop a battleship of four thousand tons with the new gun [Edit: Did I really just call a four thousand ton design a battleship?...]
- Develop SONAR
- Develop a new fighter engine (this seems to be the easiest way to upgrade our fighters for now.)

How has the sparrow done against the enemy biplane?
I'm assuming cutting through it like butter.
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« Reply #667 on: October 09, 2013, 01:52:49 pm »

Hey.... I gonna complain on new machinegun....

We kinda wanted to design 10mm machinegun to replace the one with that weak 8*20mm bullet... unsuited for armored vehicles\aircrafts. But I think with the cost half of 15mm machineguns (they deserve a name) that design is still unusable
In fact it's rather strange that designed to be cheap machinegun, with bullets three times lighter, costs only two times less

Yes, 15mm machineguns are borderline machieguns\auto-cannons. And superbly light. Our main wunderwaffe... expensive as hell, but effective weapon of doom
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Oh... That's how we got our wunderwaffe

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« Reply #668 on: October 09, 2013, 01:55:21 pm »

So do I but need to know how much.

I'm considering salvaging all the Ravens for guns and to cut down a lot of our air craft fuel consumption.
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« Reply #669 on: October 09, 2013, 01:57:15 pm »

The weight is actually correct for a autocannon actually. Kinda suprised those sparrows aren't doing more damage to them with that kind of power, but that may just be the fact they're using standard ammo rather than incendiaries and/or HE rounds.

And a four thousand ton ship is a cruiser Pi, going to need a MUCH larger shipyard if we want a capship that's actually servicable.
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« Reply #670 on: October 09, 2013, 02:02:33 pm »

I am considering refitting all our ravens with rockets for more antiship-power... but scraping them for machine-guns is an option, too...
Looking at numbers... I think we need existing ravens for one more turn

And we need sonars...  And cruiser with at least two 300mm guns


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« Reply #671 on: October 09, 2013, 02:05:47 pm »

@15mm MG: It's actually not that bad, I think. Look, for example, at the MG151 which, while heavier, has a longer barrel for example. True, it's great, but it's no wunderwaffe.

@Taricus: Yeah, that's kind of the problem. We can only build a cruiser with those guns, and that means he'll probably be horribly vulnerable to subs, for example.

@Pat, UR: Scrapping them for machine guns results in a production of ca. 340 sparrows instead of 225 for next turn. So we'd basically trade 305 Ravens for 125 Sparrows.
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« Reply #672 on: October 09, 2013, 02:11:17 pm »

It also cuts down a lot on fuel consumption as well if the Ravens are gone and not flying which is good.

It'd allow us to begin storing up some fuel for when we go offensive and our fuel usage jumps up.

Not to mention the fact that right now deploying Ravens is pretty much like ordering 50% of the pilots to die if the enemies new fighter shows up.

Throwing away our pilots is gonna hurt morale, giving them better planes to eat the enemies old fighters alive hurts enemy morale and boosts ours.

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« Reply #673 on: October 09, 2013, 02:14:37 pm »

How has the sparrow done against the enemy biplane?
There have been no large all sparrow against all biplane encounters. Still, the effects are interesting, for the moment. Sparrow's can literally rip apart enemy fighters.

We kinda wanted to design 10mm machinegun to replace the one with that weak 8*20mm bullet... unsuited for armored vehicles\aircrafts. But I think with the cost half of 15mm machineguns (they deserve a name) that design is still unusable
In fact it's rather strange that designed to be cheap machinegun, with bullets three times lighter, costs only two times less
The GM is not well versed in the world of guns. There was no motion to change the bullet, so I didn't. Changing the bullet would be a formality though, if you told me what would be a sensible number.

The weight is actually correct for a autocannon actually. Kinda suprised those sparrows aren't doing more damage to them with that kind of power, but that may just be the fact they're using standard ammo rather than incendiaries and/or HE rounds.

And a four thousand ton ship is a cruiser Pi, going to need a MUCH larger shipyard if we want a capship that's actually servicable.
30 kg is correct for an autocannon? Kind-off suprises me.
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« Reply #674 on: October 09, 2013, 02:17:16 pm »

Just make it use our current 8*54 round then Ebbor? And it is, checked wikipedia for a few aircraft-mounted autocannons, and they were around the 25-40kg range.

Also, do I need a separate proposal for an engine, or can I include that within another suggestion?
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