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[gogis]

Overpriced medication is mostly limited to the US and a few other nations. Most of Europe has nationalized healthcare and cost up to 5 times lower.

I really mean it when I said we don't have enough energy. Total weight of humanity is about 400 million tons. So say, even if we launch only 1%; we still have to move 4 million tons up there. Let's take Mars, as that is the closest location. Optimal situation has 20.2 km/s delta v change. With a standard rocket engine, that'd amount in a 141 kg fuel to 1 kg payload need. So even with a space elevator, you'd use most of humanities remaining fossil fuel reserves.

Don't go for numbers here. Go for incentive. Go like 1000 people in predeployed and preingeneered cubicle. It's possible? Sure.

Also, pretty sure the biggest population raise was during the Industrial Revolution. We went from 1 billion to 6 over a small 2 centuries.

I talk about factor. Agriculture was a big factor. Others like antibiotics I dont talk about. First factor is most important.

Overall we steered and derailed from topic. My whole point is that we well behind in sci-fi departament. We need to innovate. Capitalism is so last age. It's stale and harmful atm. Move on. Go new stuff.

[Mrhappyface]

Well the thing is not all of the nations in the world is caught up technologically or socially. Afghanistan for example has never progressed beyond small tribes society-wise nor developed much infrastructure for farming or development.

[10ebbor10]

Don't go for numbers here. Go for incentive. Go like 1000 people in predeployed and preingeneered cubicle. It's possible? Sure.

Still a pretty huge cost, for little actual gain. Money and energy that could be spent better on other space based activities.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Well the thing is not all of the nations in the world is caught up technologically or socially. Afghanistan for example has never progressed beyond small tribes society-wise nor developed much infrastructure for farming or development.

Is that so? Afghanistan was doing decently well for itself before the USSR invaded and the Taliban were founded.

[10ebbor10]

Well the thing is not all of the nations in the world is caught up technologically or socially. Afghanistan for example has never progressed beyond small tribes society-wise nor developed much infrastructure for farming or development.

Is that so? Afghanistan was doing decently well for itself before the USSR invaded and the Taliban were founded.

Most of this was build by the USSR, and under the regime of a hereditary monarch.

So, don't blame the Sovjets for the decline. The Sovjet's only "invaded" in support off the socialist/communist government* against Islamite Extremists supported by the US and it's allies.

*Which had replaced the prowestern despot during a short revolution a few years earlier.

[gogis]

Don't go for numbers here. Go for incentive. Go like 1000 people in predeployed and preingeneered cubicle. It's possible? Sure.

Still a pretty huge cost, for little actual gain. Money and energy that could be spent better on other space based activities.

It's an enormous progress. All that sci-fi domes goes true. People capturing space despite circumstances. It's even better than cancer shit. Bigger picture. I mean I say cancer > space travel > space colonies. All the way ridiculous money sink. But I think it's worth it.
They say money > more money > huge money. In reality money is just a number. I was risen on novels of Vierne and Boussenard, I want more.

[10ebbor10]

Don't go for numbers here. Go for incentive. Go like 1000 people in predeployed and preingeneered cubicle. It's possible? Sure.

Still a pretty huge cost, for little actual gain. Money and energy that could be spent better on other space based activities.

It's an enormous progress. All that sci-fi domes goes true. People capturing space despite circumcstances. It's even better than cancer shit. Bigger picture. I mean I say cancer > space travel > space colonies. All the way ridiculous money sink. But I think it's worth it.
They say money > more money > huge money. In reality money is just a number. I was risen on novels of Vierne and Boussenard, I want more.

Actually, I meant. Instead of pumping massive amounts of money in a mostly useless colony, to the point where most other Space projects would atrophy and die, you could invest it wisely in other research. There's tons of things to do in space, mysteries to uncover, so much that we don't know.

Sending a thousand people to trample all over it won't help, and will destroy valuable scientific information.

[gogis]

Well the thing is not all of the nations in the world is caught up technologically or socially. Afghanistan for example has never progressed beyond small tribes society-wise nor developed much infrastructure for farming or development.

Is that so? Afghanistan was doing decently well for itself before the USSR invaded and the Taliban were founded.

All afganistan, vietnam and later shit was a byproduct of cold war. Thats a dead topic. Please dont go further. There is a lot of controversial and bad shit laying under, you dont want to sniff.

[10ebbor10]

History is never death. Especially not when it had such a great influence on the world as we know it, and is still making it's repercussions felt across the globe.

[gogis]

Don't go for numbers here. Go for incentive. Go like 1000 people in predeployed and preingeneered cubicle. It's possible? Sure.

Still a pretty huge cost, for little actual gain. Money and energy that could be spent better on other space based activities.

It's an enormous progress. All that sci-fi domes goes true. People capturing space despite circumcstances. It's even better than cancer shit. Bigger picture. I mean I say cancer > space travel > space colonies. All the way ridiculous money sink. But I think it's worth it.
They say money > more money > huge money. In reality money is just a number. I was risen on novels of Vierne and Boussenard, I want more.

Actually, I meant. Instead of pumping massive amounts of money in a mostly useless colony, to the point where most other Space projects would atrophy and die, you could invest it wisely in other research. There's tons of things to do in space, mysteries to uncover, so much that we don't know.

Sending a thousand people to trample all over it won't help, and will destroy valuable scientific information.

What in a current universe can be more important than succesfull colony in space? I know it's subjective, but I vote with my two palms for a space colony against cancer cure, for example. It's huge, why not? Cost is irrelevant here, no?

[gogis]

History is never death. Especially not when it had such a great influence on the world as we know it, and is still making it's repercussions felt across the globe.

You know, I recently spent 10 * 50 min watching french series about Napoleon. It's was one of the best historical shit I ever watched around. Obviously it's biased, by I understood why Napoleon was never thought to be like Hitler. Very detailed, very great. French revolution was one of greatest things happened to Europe. Russians repelled Napoleon, but republic ideas found it's roots in dekabrists movement(failed), and thereafter happened the abolishing of "krepostnoe pravo" (I talk just about my country, but it's was about all Europe) in 186something which is basically slavery of white people by white people. It's a result. Most modern americans somehow feel wrong about their slavery stint, but most of europe had it.

History is always death. We now are much smarter than our ancestors. Rome and Greeks gave us most of laws we have. French gave us republic. We must proceed.

[Descan]

S'called serfdom, by the way. The slavery, 's serfdom.

[gogis]

S'called serfdom, by the way. The slavery, 's serfdom.

It was pretty much same shit. I remember reading reports of abusing. In olde russian, but still very concrete. Including murder. Bad shit.
I mean repercussions of killing was to pay money to owner. What the difference from slavery?

[Descan]

... No difference.

Just saying, that's the English translation for what you called it.

[gogis]

... No difference.

Just saying, that's the English translation for what you called it.

Exactly (if I got correctly what you said). All world is guilty of slavery. But it's like 100-200 years to move on. Nowadays US political correctness is anecdotical to say least. We need to move on. Just plaid guilty, and move on.