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[DreXav]

It's not cheating; I warned everyone previously that I was new to the quirks of Pathfinder .

...uh-huh, "confusing" all the rolls and stats in your favor is a bit stretched

And why not? It's actually one of this type of shield, with Tower Shield stats:

Because the game description classifies tower shield as a wooden shield, not a metal one. I do not see why you should heavily bend the properties to fit your fantasy. The pathfinder WOODEN tower shield is already very heavy. If you are using a metal one, do we double the weight? Could you even carry it, nevermind lift in one hand?

Your linked shield is a medium round shield - if you base yourself on hoplites, then then that's what they have used. How do you expect to fight using a ROUND tower shield? Tower shields are rectangular for a reason.

I see no problem with making that tower shield out of mithral, even if tower shields in pathfinder are wooden.

Unless Kangur's shield was made out of wood, which means mithral would be even heavier and therefore pointless.

But IIRC my Greek myth and my Illiad, it was some mishmash of wood, leather and bronze.

Problem is, Remuthra is confusing what a tower shield is with what the greek have employed. They are completely different in use, tactics and SIZE.

Furthermore, material rules specify: "Items not primarily of metal are not meaningfully affected by being partially made of mithral".

[Naryar]

I see no problem with making that tower shield out of mithral, even if tower shields in pathfinder are wooden.

Unless Kangur's shield was made out of wood, which means mithral would be even heavier and therefore pointless.

But IIRC my Greek myth and my Illiad, it was some mishmash of wood, leather and bronze.

Yeah, but still wasn't purely wood .

I will be getting that locked guantlet, though. Definitely. And carving the words 'Death to Arcane Casters' into it.

If you do that, no more enlarge person.

Besides, just get a masterwork darkwood tower shield, I'm pretty sure as it is only 1/2 the weight of normal wood you COULD ask Shooer decrease your attack penalties by -1 from tower shield.

I see no problem with making that tower shield out of mithral, even if tower shields in pathfinder are wooden.

Unless Kangur's shield was made out of wood, which means mithral would be even heavier and therefore pointless.

But IIRC my Greek myth and my Illiad, it was some mishmash of wood, leather and bronze.

Problem is, Remuthra is confusing what a tower shield is with what the greek have employed. They are completely different in use, tactics and SIZE.

Furthermore, material rules specify: "Items not primarily of metal are not meaningfully affected by being partially made of mithral".

Not going against you there, Kangur's shield is indeed made of wood. Besides we used 5 hardness when Matrim tried to it, so it's wood.

[DreXav]

Not going against you there, Kangur's shield is indeed made of wood. Besides we used 5 hardness when Matrim tried to it, so it's wood.

And it can't be round if it's a tower shield, either =P

I wonder when we will be able to afford mithral items. I dream of a mithral full-plate...

EDIT:

If you do that, no more enlarge person.

Enlarge person is wasted on him anyway, since it prevents him from threatening 10ft in front of him and bleeds his AC for even more squishiness. It's much better spent on me, especially when I start making lunging whirlwind attacks...

[Remuthra]

Not going against you there, Kangur's shield is indeed made of wood. Besides we used 5 hardness when Matrim tried to it, so it's wood.

And it can't be round if it's a tower shield, either =P

Yes it can. There's a rule in D&D that you can reskin your equipment however you like, for roleplaying reasons.

[DreXav]

Yes it can. There's a rule in D&D that you can reskin your equipment however you like, for roleplaying reasons.

Look, mate, a round tower shield is unrealistic. A tower shield is massive, covering from feet to head. If you make it ROUND, it not only almost doubles the weight, it also protrudes far to the sides of your frame, preventing you from attacking from behind it - you would have to shove it wide open. Not to mention it would not function in any formation - you guys would block each other from moving your shields.

EDIT: Here, a frame of tower shield and almost-round "tower" shield:


It's completely unwieldy.

[Gamerlord]

Sorry Remuthra; the very definition of a tower shield is that it is shaped like a tower; a vertical rectangle.

[Naryar]

That's saying that he hasn't been using a large, round wooden shield and using it as a tower shield.

Besides, I am pretty sure that a waist-high round shield can be used to give yourself cover.

[DreXav]

Besides, I am pretty sure that a waist-high round shield can be used to give yourself cover.

If you crouch and huddle behind it or stack with other such shields, it could - it's what hoplites did. But that is NOT a TOWER shield and NOT a full cover by the shield.

[Naryar]

Besides, I am pretty sure that a waist-high round shield can be used to give yourself cover.

If you crouch and huddle behind it or stack with other such shields, it could - it's what hoplites did. But that is NOT a TOWER shield and NOT a full cover by the shield.

Then, 3 solutions:

-change Rem's shield to a heavy wooden shield, but permit him to spend actions to have normal cover (+4 ac) towards one direction.

-keep it a tower shield but nerf melee attack bonus to +4(Str)+1(BAB)+1(Masterwork)-2 (Tower Shield) = +4.

-make something with stats inbetween the tower shield and the heavy wooden shield, whose stats and uses we ALL agree on.

[Remuthra]

Besides, I am pretty sure that a waist-high round shield can be used to give yourself cover.

If you crouch and huddle behind it or stack with other such shields, it could - it's what hoplites did. But that is NOT a TOWER shield and NOT a full cover by the shield.

-keep it a tower shield but nerf melee attack bonus to +4(Str)+1(BAB)+1(Masterwork)-2 (Tower Shield) = +4.

This was how it was already. You've been spending all this time telling me I can't call my tower shield round .

[Gamerlord]

Besides, I am pretty sure that a waist-high round shield can be used to give yourself cover.

If you crouch and huddle behind it or stack with other such shields, it could - it's what hoplites did. But that is NOT a TOWER shield and NOT a full cover by the shield.

-keep it a tower shield but nerf melee attack bonus to +4(Str)+1(BAB)+1(Masterwork)-2 (Tower Shield) = +4.

This was how it was already. You've been spending all this time telling me I can't call my tower shield round .

Because thats like calling a spear square.

[DreXav]

Because thats like calling a spear square.

For a goblin-lover, you sound very sane! We could use more sane people in the party...

[Gamerlord]

I don't think you guys have any spots left.

[Carnwennan]

Is there a R20 invite link on this forum or some such?
Or may I ask for it to be PM'd my way?

PM Shooer, he should let you spectate. We play every Sunday at 8pm UTC.


Matrim does have a longbow I was just borking ranged increments.

[DreXav]

Matrim does have a longbow I was just borking ranged increments.

Damn, maybe you could have killed Kjell or Astalinn.

I don't think you guys have any spots left.

Perhaps an opening could be... arranged... depending on what role you would fill