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[miauw62]

Yes, that really is the whole point. The input from testers should come in many forms: bug reports, forum posts, concept art, 3D prints, haikus, and also very publicly stated opinions.

If anybody here gets one of these boxes, all opinions must be in haiku form.

[Glloyd]

Upgradeable consoles.

Gentlemen, the next step in console evolution has been achieved. And it has nothing to do with that social media bull.

This. Allowing consoles to be built, hacked or modded is completely unprecedented in the modern console market.

[Graknorke]

Yes, that really is the whole point. The input from testers should come in many forms: bug reports, forum posts, concept art, 3D prints, haikus, and also very publicly stated opinions.

If anybody here gets one of these boxes, all opinions must be in haiku form.

My family hate this
The console is way too loud
So it stays turned off

[10ebbor10]

Not really.

This is a living room PC. Nothing special has happened. You don't have to treat is as something extraordinary just because they grabbed a PC and taped Console in it.

I like the idea behind it, and greatly encourage them to continue, but it's not like it's world changing.

[Krevsin]

Not really.

This is a living room PC. Nothing special has happened. You don't have to treat is as something extraordinary just because they grabbed a PC and taped Console in it.

I like the idea behind it, and greatly encourage them to continue, but it's not like it's world changing.

Trust me, if you brand it as a console, the mindless sheep that dominate the market will see it as one. Most likely, there will even be flashy speculatory titles in various tabloidal gaming magazines about how "Valve Entered The Console War" with "Stunning New Tech".

Marketing is the key word here.

[Glloyd]

Not really.

This is a living room PC. Nothing special has happened. You don't have to treat is as something extraordinary just because they grabbed a PC and taped Console in it.

I like the idea behind it, and greatly encourage them to continue, but it's not like it's world changing.

Trust me, if you brand it as a console, the mindless sheep that dominate the market will see it as one. Most likely, there will even be flashy speculatory titles in various tabloidal gaming magazines about how "Valve Entered The Console War" with "Stunning New Tech".

Marketing is the key word here.

It's true. You can supposedly still use a keyboard with it, so we'll have to wait and see what actually differentiates it from PC's. (If anything)

[scrdest]

Not really.

This is a living room PC. Nothing special has happened. You don't have to treat is as something extraordinary just because they grabbed a PC and taped Console in it.

I like the idea behind it, and greatly encourage them to continue, but it's not like it's world changing.

Trust me, if you brand it as a console, the mindless sheep that dominate the market will see it as one. Most likely, there will even be flashy speculatory titles in various tabloidal gaming magazines about how "Valve Entered The Console War" with "Stunning New Tech".

Marketing is the key word here.

It's true. You can supposedly still use a keyboard with it, so we'll have to wait and see what actually differentiates it from PC's. (If anything)

Name. Duh.

[timferius]

If this is a conosle, and every console has console exclusive launch titles... I think it's safe to assume that we can expect a release next year of everyones favourite franchise, Dota 3.

[Shadowgandor]

Upgradeable consoles.

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[Krevsin]

Eh, most people will see it as a console just because it is living room-based and can be navigated with only a controller.

[Fayrik]

To everyone who paid attention to my rather pessimistic rant about the OS: it appears the new FAQ has accidentally given us an offhand confirmation that the "openness" does include at least some source code.

To make this post quicker than my previous ones:

• My hope is that it will be entirely open source wherever they can afford to do it.
• My expectation is that "open source" means there are some CSS files so you can create custom skins.

[miauw62]

Doesn't the license of Linux include that any OS based on it MUST be the same license or similar (aka open source?)

[Silent_Thunder]

Ok, so, it sounds like, reading the FAQ things, that you'll be able to stream from PC for any game that doesn't run on Steam OS, and play games directon the box for those that do. I'm hoping one of the retail options is a cheaper box designed just to stream, because that's all I want. Anyways, very cool. It makes sense, since valve seems to want to promote being very open source with it's things.

Seeing how they said you can use the OS on any system, you could stream from a cheapo setup hooked up to the TV. An old laptop with an HDMI port would probably work.

[Levi]

Doesn't the license of Linux include that any OS based on it MUST be the same license or similar (aka open source?)

I don't think so.  Its more like all the bits of the OS have to be provided for free, and any modifications to the free software also has to be free.  Since nobody has the resources to rewrite all the infrastructure, they sort of have to provide it for free. 

In theory they could provide a "Free install disk" that installs 99% of the distribution and then provide a buyable disk that customizes the remaining 1% with proprietary software, but who would really buy it?

[Hugehead]

Doesn't the license of Linux include that any OS based on it MUST be the same license or similar (aka open source?)

My understanding is that kernel must be open, but the stuff built on top of it doesn't have to be.