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[3man75]

West side crips?

Also i think he said requesting info was encouraged. If anything the GM could just say no.

EDIT: what time is it in australia where you live bro? I remember playing guild wars 2 and aussies being great back up at like 2 or 3 in the morning. Apparently that's when they start getting up. Jesus, you must be missing sleep good sir (or ma'am).

[Andres]

The Mooners?

As of right this very moment it is 8:50 AM. Also, sir. It's listed in my profile info.

[3man75]

The Mooners?

As of right this very moment it is 8:50 AM. Also, sir. It's listed in my profile info.

Black Moon Runners?

Moon Runners?

Moonies? (Sailor moon reference if you didn't get it  )

Black Moon Company? I like this one since it sounds badass and menacing.

[Andres]

YES YES YES! BLACK MOON COMPANY. But not for the mainstream mercs that we're using now. We take a few of those mercs out of the main Silver Moon [Mercenary] Company and put them under Melihsa's tutelage. They can be our special black ops unit for assassinations or kidnappings or whatever we want.

Silver Moon Company as our main military force.

Black Moon Company as a spec-ops off-shoot.

We can take a very small group of exceptionally loyal and gifted soldiers and make them take a blood oath swearing undying allegiance to us, forming the Blood Moon Guard. We will have a bodyguard, and the Blood Moons will make up the most central, elite core of that bodyguard.

Spoiler: Corollary (click to show/hide)

The Blood Moon Guard should swear a blood oath to us and absolutely no-one else. Not our father, not our brothers, not our sisters, not even our future children. They will live and die to serve us and only us.

Of course, this would be rather difficult without making ourselves to be some sort of god and creating zealotry within the population (which always, ALWAYS backfires); this is why we may want to consider a Spartan program to raise them in. Who'll object? We are the prince after all. We'll recruit orphans for it since there'll be nobody close to them to object and at least this way they have some sort of life. Sure they'll spend their lives as warriors but on the flip-side they get money, food, status and all manner of good thing. One thing that should be mentioned is that the Blood Moons are NOT knights. The children will not waste their time cleaning armour or polishing swords or playing servants to higher ranking military men. They will train and they will fight and they may get free time but they are NOT servants.

That's not to say that Blood Moons will necessarily have to come from the Spartan program. They just have to be exceptional fighters with an undying loyalty to us. We can use magic to determine if their loyalty to us really is true and undying. Heck, if there are already enough of these normal recruits then a Spartan program won't even be necessary.

Marriage, of course, will be out of the question for the Blood Moons. Their loyalties may waver between us and their beloved or their children if they eventually have them....... IDEA! If they end up having children, the Blood Moon who sired them will suffer the punishment detailed below and the child will be taken as his replacement. The mother will be privately and discreetly executed and the identity of the new Blood Moon's parents shall not be revealed.

Any Blood Moons who break the rules of the Blood Moons will be subjected to this as well as branded on his forehead to show his outcast nature.

The Blood Moons must be common. Nobles are quite simply not suited to the type of pledge we ask of the Blood Moons what with their family loyalties and quasi-celebrity statuses.

Blood Moon Guards must choose to join voluntarily unless they come from the Spartan program.

Finally, all active Blood Moons (Spartan recruits don't count) shall be completely and entirely freed of their oath upon our death. They can do whatever they want at that point. Examples: they can become a baker, or a mercenary, or apply for the new Blood Moon Guard should our successor continue the practice. Our successor should NOT automatically inherit our bodyguard. The guards that served us have the right to not join the new guard if they so desire.

Maybe we can make a god...

[3man75]

YES YES YES! BLACK MOON COMPANY. But not for the mainstream mercs that we're using now. We take a few of those mercs out of the main Silver Moon [Mercenary] Company and put them under Melihsa's tutelage. They can be our special black ops unit for assassinations or kidnappings or whatever we want.

Silver Moon Company as our main military force.

Black Moon Company as a spec-ops off-shoot.

We can take a very small group of exceptionally loyal and gifted soldiers and make them take a blood oath swearing undying allegiance to us, forming the Blood Moon Guard. We will have a bodyguard, and the Blood Moons will make up the most central, elite core of that bodyguard.

Spoiler: Corollary (click to show/hide)

The Blood Moon Guard should swear a blood oath to us and absolutely no-one else. Not our father, not our brothers, not our sisters, not even our future children. They will live and die to serve us and only us.

Of course, this would be rather difficult without making ourselves to be some sort of god and creating zealotry within the population (which always, ALWAYS backfires); this is why we may want to consider a Spartan program to raise them in. Who'll object? We are the prince after all. We'll recruit orphans for it since there'll be nobody close to them to object and at least this way they have some sort of life. Sure they'll spend their lives as warriors but on the flip-side they get money, food, status and all manner of good thing. One thing that should be mentioned is that the Blood Moons are NOT knights. The children will not waste their time cleaning armour or polishing swords or playing servants to higher ranking military men. They will train and they will fight and they may get free time but they are NOT servants.

That's not to say that Blood Moons will necessarily have to come from the Spartan program. They just have to be exceptional fighters with an undying loyalty to us. We can use magic to determine if their loyalty to us really is true and undying. Heck, if there are already enough of these normal recruits then a Spartan program won't even be necessary.

Marriage, of course, will be out of the question for the Blood Moons. Their loyalties may waver between us and their beloved or their children if they eventually have them....... IDEA! If they end up having children, the Blood Moon who sired them will suffer the punishment detailed below and the child will be taken as his replacement. The mother will be privately and discreetly executed and the identity of the new Blood Moon's parents shall not be revealed.

Any Blood Moons who break the rules of the Blood Moons will be subjected to this as well as branded on his forehead to show his outcast nature.

The Blood Moons must be common. Nobles are quite simply not suited to the type of pledge we ask of the Blood Moons what with their family loyalties and quasi-celebrity statuses.

Blood Moon Guards must choose to join voluntarily unless they come from the Spartan program.

Finally, all active Blood Moons (Spartan recruits don't count) shall be completely and entirely freed of their oath upon our death. They can do whatever they want at that point. Examples: they can become a baker, or a mercenary, or apply for the new Blood Moon Guard should our successor continue the practice. Our successor should NOT automatically inherit our bodyguard. The guards that served us have the right to not join the new guard if they so desire.

Maybe we can make a god...

Wouldn't the Blood moon guard be stronger than our spec ops? Blood moon seems to a personnel guard team that is going to make people think twice before engaging with them or us. Black ops are the ones, that well, they're going to say assasinate someone of high rank and will need to be loyal as to not give into capture/resist tortue/ and kill someone they have no beef with. That sounds like a Blood moon Guard job not.

Other than that, i think this is a +1 and should go to work ONCE we have an actual base of operations, such as a town we can grow. A town where we can have a mothers church come to and bring orphans. A town where we can have a fort for our regulars, a place to say in our manor for our spec op guys, and a secret base to train blood moon guards.

EDIT: Raynor should do some readings on historical accounts of old bodyguard units and special forces.

EDIT 2: Does Meli (ya i shortened her name) even have training for that? She seems more of a knight than a fighter. Again, all should be clearer when we talk/spar with her. It would be really cool if she became our "Black Moon Captain" but lets see what kind of person she is. Does she have her own agenda. An what does she think of big knights that her father commands. Do they accept her? Does she accept them? Also, we are NOT making a god. Raynor if anything will support the father or mother NOT make a new god or believe in a new one.

[Andres]

The main difference between the Blood Moons and the Black Moons is in training and use. The Blood Moons would be the best, most talented and most skilled WARRIORS in the entire land. Their numbers will range from about 10 - 20 (mutable number - can be changed) and will be the hard-core of our bodyguard (we will have more members in our larger bodyguard but the Blood Moons are the absolute top-tier). They will be trained to fight and very little else; as such they will only be useful as bodyguards seeing as how stealth, intimidation, etc. are not fighting skills.

The Black Moons are not our bodyguard. They are our spec-ops and will be sent out to do missions that the Silver Moons (the big main actual army we will have) are not able to complete. They will be much smaller in number than the Silver Moons but greater than the Blood Moons, about 100 - 150. They'll act as a kind of commando unit (IRL commando units weren't a small rag-tag bunch of misfits. They were units of a few hundred men that took strategic points where only a few men could be fielded at a time). Aside from fighting they will have to learn a bunch of other things including stealth, sabotage, hostage-taking, tracking, and all manner of other things. These other skills they'll have to learn will mean that they won't have the same amount of warrior training as Blood Moons.

+1 to your suggestions BTW.


I was actually thinking they can be our own personal god, like a guardian angel or something. Think of the potential!

[3man75]

Let's talk more about the black moons. This is what i think they should have in more precise terms.

Stealth, Assassination, sabotage, infiltration, scouting, trap making (pits or bear traps to slow enemy attacks on there positions), and finally hostage taking and interrogation. They should also be able to fight 2v1 decently since i believe they'll be the ones most in danger.

EDIT: Also what suggestions exactly? Or do we just all assume w.e i bolded?

EDIT 2: Mlam, how's the update coming along? I think me and andre are doing a little too much brain tossing here lol.

[Andres]

Let's talk more about the black moons. This is what i think they should have in more precise terms.

Stealth, Assassination, sabotage, infiltration, scouting, trap making (pits or bear traps to slow enemy attacks on there positions), and finally hostage taking and interrogation. They should also be able to fight 2v1 decently since i believe they'll be the ones most in danger.

First of all, I would thank you for detailing the Black Moons operations more than I did. Secondly, I would actually suggest that Black Moons be able to win a 2v3 fight. 2v1 is a tad too extreme since that'll too greatly limit the potential recruits that could join or else detract too much from their non-combat training. Besides, the Black Moons don't need to be truly excellent fighters to accomplish their goals.

EDIT: Also what suggestions exactly? Or do we just all assume w.e i bolded?

The second paragraph down with the exception of the last, underlined sentence.

Ask Verack what new training equipment and facilities he would want. Because why the hell isn't a huge abandoned warehouse good enough for foot soldiers?

[3man75]

Okay we should drop a line with him on that. But i think it has something to do with the fact that:

1. He has horses to take care off..in a warehouse?
2. Sleeping on the floor must suck.

[Andres]

1. There are no horsemen in the SMMC. There are axemen, archers, halberdiers, fire mages, and trainees but no horsemen. Verack himself wields a claymore so it's VERY UNLIKELY that he'll have a horse since it's impossible (without magic at least) to wield a two-handed sword on horseback.
2. Can't we just buy them beds then? Surely that would be a lot cheaper than buying land. Wait. WHY DO THEY NOT HAVE BEDS ALREADY?

[3man75]

1. There are no horsemen in the SMMC. There are axemen, archers, halberdiers, fire mages, and trainees but no horsemen. Verack himself wields a claymore so it's VERY UNLIKELY that he'll have a horse since it's impossible (without magic at least) to wield a two-handed sword on horseback.
2. Can't we just buy them beds then? Surely that would be a lot cheaper than buying land. Wait. WHY DO THEY NOT HAVE BEDS ALREADY?

1. The SMMC from my knowledge have pack animals to move there stuff. (armor, food, and etc)

2. Not enough money?

In any case we should drop a line with the captain to see what they have and what they need. An how we could have a smooth transformation of the SMMC to be our personnel army.

[Andres]

Considering that they're MERCENARIES and we're PAYING THEM and we PAID TO GET THEM THE WAREHOUSE I find it HIGHLY UNLIKELY they can't even afford beds or that we forgot 'beds' when also buying 'food, weapons, armour, salary, training equipment, a warehouse, etc'.

You have a point about the pack animals but I sincerely doubt they're a massive hindrance to training.

[3man75]

Considering that they're MERCENARIES and we're PAYING THEM and we PAID TO GET THEM THE WAREHOUSE I find it HIGHLY UNLIKELY they can't even afford beds or that we forgot 'beds' when also buying 'food, weapons, armour, salary, training equipment, a warehouse, etc'.

You have a point about the pack animals but I sincerely doubt they're a massive hindrance to training.

I thought the warehouse was abandoned and they just went in? I mean it's not rare to see homeless people take up shelter in abandoned buildings in parts of the world. But good point.

Remember you have to take care of your pets also else they die or santa takes them away from you :3

[Andres]

Actually my point was that feeding, watering, and cleaning after the animals shouldn't cut into training time too much. On top of that, warehouses are big so they can be fed, watered, and cleaned after from a fair distance away from the trainees.

EDIT: I just realised that all that manure would stink up the roofed and walled warehouse. It actually makes a lot of sense why Verack would want new, possibly open-air facilities.

[3man75]

From here on out I'm going to wait for mlamlah update. I think we overloaded...again. sorry to the gm for useless banter.