@Imp:Your first vote for RPG. You sorta just toss your vote here.
Rolepgeek, I've got this vote and no better use for it right now. If you're dead there's no need to replace your spot; and from close to start of play you've not really done much that seems pro-Town to me. Your behavior isn't that bad of a Scum cover either. I'm far from sure you're Scum but I'm far from sure you're Town either, so for the moment this works for me. As long as you're seeking replacement I'm not going to ask you anything.
Then DeathSword posts. Saying you're dropping a vote on someone asking for a replacement. Which is weird, for me at least, as someone new to the game.
Imp: If you got nothing better to do with your vote, as you claim here:
Rolepgeek, I've got this vote and no better use for it right now. If you're dead there's no need to replace your spot; and from close to start of play you've not really done much that seems pro-Town to me. Your behavior isn't that bad of a Scum cover either. I'm far from sure you're Scum but I'm far from sure you're Town either, so for the moment this works for me. As long as you're seeking replacement I'm not going to ask you anything.
Then why not use it to pressure someone who can actually answer you? It seems as if you want to vote someone but don't really care who, and Rolepgeek provides a nice, safe target.
RPG then replies, agreeing with DeathSword that, yes, it's a vote on someone asking for a replacement.
Rolepgeek, I've got this vote and no better use for it right now. If you're dead there's no need to replace your spot; and from close to start of play you've not really done much that seems pro-Town to me. Your behavior isn't that bad of a Scum cover either. I'm far from sure you're Scum but I'm far from sure you're Town either, so for the moment this works for me. As long as you're seeking replacement I'm not going to ask you anything.
That's an extremely poor idea. Until I'm replaced, I am going to continue to play to the best of my ability. You shouldn't vote someone based on 'meh, nothing better to do'. Vote someone for pressure, for RVS, or to get them lynched. It's not RVS anymore, it's not pressure since you aren't going to ask me anything, which means all that's left is lynch votes. But you aren't sure I'm scum. So why vote me? There's no point to it.
I don't see Deathsword defending RPG, I see him questioning why you're voting to lynch someone who's asking for a replacement. RPG does put up good points on why you're voting him. You state that you aren't going to ask him questions, meaning you aren't looking to actually check if he's scum. For someone who's so set on scumhunting, that's a pretty odd move.
Moving on.
In this topic:
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You call Deathsword out on coddling players in one game and not giving this game much attention. This is true.
...Though you did try to call him out on being sick. Which is possible and highly likely this time of year. My partner was sick with various different bugs for three months straight last fall/winter. You try to call him out in his IC brackets when I believe the person behind the computer was legitimately ill.
You also call him "an IC jerk" for calling you out on a vote that you placed on someone calling for a replacement. Sounds a little OMGUS-y to me.
And then:
Quote from: Deathsword on October 15, 2013, 09:34:23 am
Imp: If you got nothing better to do with your vote, as you claim here:
Quote from: Imp on October 14, 2013, 10:49:17 pm
Rolepgeek, I've got this vote and no better use for it right now. If you're dead there's no need to replace your spot; and from close to start of play you've not really done much that seems pro-Town to me. Your behavior isn't that bad of a Scum cover either. I'm far from sure you're Scum but I'm far from sure you're Town either, so for the moment this works for me. As long as you're seeking replacement I'm not going to ask you anything.
Then why not use it to pressure someone who can actually answer you? It seems as if you want to vote someone but don't really care who, and Rolepgeek provides a nice, safe target.
The only way you can make that claim about how I use my vote, and how I use pressure, is to disregard how I have played this game so far. Considering how -you- have played this game so far, I'm not surprised at you at all.
You did not plan on pressuring RPG. You stated earlier you were going to vote for him and not ask him any questions.
Speaking of, you then start into RPG, claiming his activity elsewhere in the forums over this one game, which he said he asked for a replacement for, shows scumminess and unwillingness to post. Could it possibly be he maybe had priorities over this single game?
Deathsword posts.
((Imp Quoted, right to lurk))
I am not, and at no point have I ever stated this. To the point I actually apologized for my low activity. How in any way is that acting as if I had a right to lurk?
((Imp Quoted, talking about how his advice is across the board don't talk about NK.))
{I stand by my advice that speculating about the night is useless to either town or scum. You have the right to disagree. I fully believe in what I said about it, both as scum and as town. There are others who disagree, and like doing that. It is their call. Being a scum IC is actually pretty easy, as you do not have to think as a player, you do not have to scumhunt}
((Imp Quoted, talk about health))
I do not like to give much details about my personal life, but I'll say this: my health is complete and utter shit. I get sick quite frequently, whenever the air gets somewhat dry it feels as if my nose if trying to rip itself from the rest of my face and I've had to do two complete lung collapses (for absolutely no reason either) in the same year. When I say I am unable to post, it's because I really am, especially where my health is concerned.
((Imp Quoted, IC voice distrust)
Being a scum IC is actually pretty easy, as you do not have to think as a player, you do not have to scumhunt.
((Imp Quoted, about vote pressure. "you IC jerk"))
Rolepgeek asked to replace. When someone asks for that, it usually means they stop posting. You yourself said you voted him because you had nothing else to do with said vote. Now you talk about your previous play, but it is this very same previous play that makes your disregard as to where your vote goes more glaring. Is the vote yours to use as you see fit? Yes. It still does not exempt you from being called out on it.
You then honestly wish him well and drop the subject of health.
Your post:
Deathsword - Hope you feel better soon.
You're acting like you have this 'right to lurk', and you absolutely don't.
I am not, and at no point have I ever stated this. To the point I actually apologized for my low activity. How in any way is that acting as if I had a right to lurk?
I'm not saying 'you say you have that right' - I am saying 'you act as if you have that right' and I say it because you have been doing it. This:
I am sorry for disappearing for the last two D1 days
We don't need apologies from you. If you're Town we need help. If you're a rolemodel, Town or not, we need an example of good play, which you are NOT giving us.
All of last week you made 1 post - only one post. That post contained no scumhunting and outside of a small amount of IC advice. Are you hiding -from yourself- with an apology for 'The last two days'? No two days are an issue. The whole kit and caboodle across the course of the game is the issue. Get off your behind and work for this Town. This Town can't afford to carry you and your behavior is directly or indirectly helping the Scum - and you lack the inexperience to not know this. Fix it.
You try to call him out for not hunting in one post. Which is, to your true point, the only one made in a week. But most of that is an IC post, and the other bit is talking to you about time constraints.
A couple of your posts deal with other people for a little bit. Good playing happens.
Deathsword gets to responding. It takes a little bit, but he does get to it.
Almost no focus on teaching as IC
Regarding this: as a whole, the remaining players here are doing pretty well, mechanics-wise. There is little at the moment that requires an IC explanation.
He sure doesn't seem to care about catching Scum or not though.
Well, I think you are scum, and am voting you over it.
Let me restate why: You just threw a vote on Rolepgeek because you could, because you had nothing better to do with it. In the quoted post you further list inactivity (which, I suppose, is a valid, if somewhat weak, reason) and a personal attack (IC stuff on this below). While the added reasons are nice, I am still concerned over the disregard over where your vote went, and, to be quite frank, I consider you to be, among the new players here, one of the most possibly dangerous if scum.
{On personal attacks: don't. Seriously, just don't. It adds nothing to the game, is of no benefit to anyone (town, scum, third-party) and can ruin the friendly (if agressive) nature of the game. What happens in the game stays in it, and you shouldn't hold a grudge or insult someone over it.}
If so, can you help me understand that things are going well, not terribly quiet, and why you think we're not going to a lurky town loss as is?
{BMs often tend to have periods of very low activity, especially as the game goes on. People often don't realise how long a mafia game can take.}
Extend
He votes extend. He tells you why he's voting for you, quoting you saying that he's not hunting when he's hunting you, as he says. Then goes IC to talk about personal attacks. Which is a good point. And also on the activity level of the game.
You then tell him, in a large WoT here:
words.
Why you had reasons, and you link to:
words.
which when I read it, I honestly read it as a large ad hominem attack.
You then list that you could have voted for "Rolepgeek, Deathsword, Darvi, Squill" and felt comfortable with it. Why not with someone who was around?
Then RPG replies here:
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And the next post is your reply. I don't wanna parse these out but it's more back-and-forth, basically.
Then DS hops in.
Imp, what you are basically doing is trying to dominate the game with massive walls of text. Every time someone says something you disagree with, out comes the WoTs.
((The spoiler of all RPG's words of busy/absence))
Above, for example, you attempt to discredit rolepgeek by point out posts where he said he was busy/not paying attention. While that was certainly true, what makes you think he didn't do a full read of the thread before posting his own wall of text?
You talk a lot about personal attacks and how long it took me to react. You know why I took so long to "react"? Because I did not see it as a personal attack. He criticised your playstile, which apparently offended you, thus resulting in you calling it an attack on your person. Well, following that logic, all your allegations that I am a shitty player/IC are personal attacks as well.
You are trying to do a lot to discredit me, despite the fact that I've been trying to provide advice since the very start of the game. Darvi was gone for a full week, but you barely said anything about that, and when you did it was in a friendly tone. When it comes to me, out come the allegations of me being shit. SBC is gone too, not a single word was said by you about that. So is MrZero. So is Squill.
Your walls of text are smokescreens, for walls of text are indeed intimidating, and it discourages others to go through them and attempt to counter the arguments.
I am, of course, unfazed by such attempts of discredit. But it reeks of scum play, and for that my vote stays on you.
I believe he was Scumhunting you. Not defending RPG. Using your comments against RPG as evidence against you.
Another WoT from you:
words.
You say you don't care about your WoT's even though they're frowned upon as a whole. (I says this as I write my own.) You say that DS was ascribing you a motive of trying to discredit RPG. You say "nope, he's doing that all by himself" in so many words.
He says he's read most of it, and you quote where he says he was too busy. Doesn't mean he didn't read the thread. He was too busy
to post.
You then call his current style of looking for a replacement and trying to stay active garbage. And then you call DS garbage for his {IC} comment about personal attacks. Calling him scum while he scumhunts you. Again, sounds OMGUS-y to me.
You then say he's doing a fine job of discrediting himself through his actions. All of which I've seen as scumchecking you.
more "more activity plz". We do like activity in this game.
Then you say that DS's reasons to vote you are "you're active, verbose, and attacking me." then call him Scumsword. Honestly I can see why he didn't once waver.
I'll stop parsing here, where Tiruin posted the update and apologises for not prodding folk. I can go on if you really
really want me to but it's honestly more of the same to me.
What I'm getting out of all of this is that RPG and you were at odds with each other and DeathSword was able to pick up enough evidence against you to have a solid argument for a vote.
And I'm picking it up too, I think.
So, Imp. About those questions I had? I don't see your honest evidence against RPG. At least, evidence to convince me that you had a solid case against him to vote him on D2 where you said you were going to drop your vote and leave it, and not even bother to ask him questions.
I am still holding off my vote for another few days because I need to hear from BSnott.
My list goes:
Imp - Now, because I can see the case built by Deathsword.
BSnott - Mr. Zero was reeaallll quiet during all of that.
Squill - You kept a steady, if slow post pace.
Tiruin - You picked up DS's place. DS had a hell of a solid case.
Imp:Thanks for having me analyze DeathSword, too.
Now, question:
What does your list look like right now?Tiruin:How do you feel about DeathSword's play as your previous roleholder? How much do you agree with how he handled the scumhunt against Imp?Everyone else:Now having a large part of D2 scumhunting lain out in front of you, how does it make you feel about the roles of Imp, RPG (me), and Deathsword (Tiruin)?Woo, first WoT. I tried to be as concise as possible. There was just so. Much. Words.