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Author Topic: Sanctuary for Awful Artists and Those With Scarce Self-Esteem :I  (Read 12265 times)

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Re: Sanctuary for Awful Artists :I
« Reply #150 on: October 01, 2013, 10:17:02 pm »

Vector, I don't understand why you're down on yourself? Aside from the lack of tonal values, the new faces are better proportioned than the old? Just practice grayscales for a day or two (preferably with HB lead, something softer than 2H) and you'll be better than you were before. Seriously.

I. . . didn't go buy myself pencils yet because I thought it would be a waste.  I'll go get some in the next few days, I guess?  Everything's been drawn with the same .5 mechanical pencil or a Bic (though I think some of the stuff up there was done with .7, which would account for the tonal value change).


Wow that's seriously good stuff near the end. You can definitely structure heads.

If this is what your family members were criticizing... I'm sorry, they're all twats.

Well. . . thanks.  Yeah, they hate it.  Dunno.


...I'm wondering if you've a personal technique you use in doing all that.

Uh. . . I dunno.  Probably shouldn't be talking about this: I've never taken a class and at this point I haven't even really bothered to follow any tutorials or done any formal exercises because I'm scared, so it's hard to explain what's "technique."  Or whatever.  I don't know, it's making me anxious just thinking about it.

But in general, I guess. . . if I'm having a hard time figuring out where to put the nose, I give the character a simple pair of glasses, something that's really easy to draw from any angle at all, and then it's easy to put the eyes and nose and ears in the right spot as long as you draw the glasses first.  Or something like that. . . it's like a "guideline" but it's harder to screw up, though obviously you still can (maybe I do this because I know what guidelines are, but not exactly what you're supposed to learn from them).  And it motivates you to get really good at drawing different styles of glasses.  If you can't figure out where a girl's breasts are, then give her blouse darts and stuff.  It becomes easier to orient the figure.

Something I spent hours practicing back in middle school was shading by drawing a lot of parallel lines all drawn the same direction, rather than scribbling back and forth like they usually tell you to.  This is better for something like hair, because when you're doing animoo and you color in the blocks following the direction the hair you're symbolizing would fall, it looks more natural.  Also, if you flick your wrist while you're doing it, you can get tapered lines that help create shines and gleams or whatever.

If I've scribbled something and there's lots of stray lines, I don't get overly excited about "choosing which one is the real line."  I just fill things in a little and let the outline be a little heavier, or let that decide the light source.  Often don't have a preconceived idea of just what I'm drawing before I finish drawing it.  I realize that this may not always look good, but it's fun to draw things with different kinds of outlines, or go without erasing.  Er. . . to be honest, I very rarely use an eraser when I'm just doodling around, mostly just to get rid of other pictures that are in the way of something I'm drawing that I prefer.  I guess it's a stupid practice, but I find drawing more relaxing that way, and it's easier to find the way something should actually look within the averaged-out outlines than it is to try to draw the right line straight off all the time.  You can draw the right line later.

If things go really really wrong with something I did have preconceived opinions on and I'm feeling frustrated, I just make a monster or something out of it.  Attach random parts and things.  Why not.  The last drawing up there, I was really bored with the picture and adding more shadows and detail and eyebrow fuzz and crap so I practiced "drawing the right line without scribbling" for his hair for a while, and then I added an extra eye because there was space.


Anyway. . . did a dark-haired character today.  One on the left first, then the one on the right.  I messed up on Miss Right because I was so intimidated by how nicely Miss Left had turned out, so I couldn't calmly draw what I wanted--but she went well enough that I couldn't erase her either.  Mostly I'm upset that Miss Right didn't look as coldly elegant as Miss Left.  This sheepish look would never suit Miss Left!  Perhaps I drew her lip-line a little bit too well today.

In any case I need more practice with different views than front, so maybe I'll draw everyone exclusively from the side or 3/4 view for the next week or two.

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« Reply #151 on: October 01, 2013, 10:22:43 pm »

Those are really good. I'm honestly pretty impressed.
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« Reply #152 on: October 01, 2013, 10:44:15 pm »

Those are really good.
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« Reply #153 on: October 01, 2013, 11:07:56 pm »

O_O

Oh gods those are amazing! yeah yeah combo break and all that. And I really really like how you do the shading..reminds me of how smooth the animation characters are drawn back in my youth..

Also I've never been able to draw eyes right. The perspective is pretty beautiful there.

Uh. . . I dunno.  Probably shouldn't be talking about this: I've never taken a class and at this point I haven't even really bothered to follow any tutorials or done any formal exercises because I'm scared, so it's hard to explain what's "technique."  Or whatever.  I don't know, it's making me anxious just thinking about it.
Hmm, maybe its in the thinking that there's a correct way to do it? Bleeeh, I asked because I wanted to inquire on how you're doing in general :P

Because..well, it's developed as you go on. No standard or exact technique and all that--I'm betting you're drawing from observation? That's how I learned, and it works pretty well..only recently went into drawing...as a hobby lately. And it's all informal :x
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« Reply #154 on: October 01, 2013, 11:13:40 pm »

-snip for space-

The stuff you talked about when discussing how you draw was the same basic advice I've garnered from the lessons I've been reading since the thread started. You drew the conclusions professional artists have spent years practicing, on your own. Take it for what you will.

Everyone is their own worst critic. Don't be afraid of at least reading some lessons online; you have nothing to lose but your own self-doubt.
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« Reply #155 on: October 01, 2013, 11:19:40 pm »

-snip for space-

The stuff you talked about when discussing how you draw was the same basic advice I've garnered from the lessons I've been reading since the thread started. You drew the conclusions professional artists have spent years practicing, on your own. Take it for what you will.

Everyone is their own worst critic. Don't be afraid of at least reading some lessons online; you have nothing to lose but your own self-doubt.
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Re: Sanctuary for Awful Artists :I
« Reply #156 on: October 01, 2013, 11:44:02 pm »

Your stuff is good, Vector. There's of course room for constructive criticism (as there always is), but I can't personally see any reason to completely dismiss any of those drawings.

But in general, I guess. . . if I'm having a hard time figuring out where to put the nose, I give the character a simple pair of glasses, something that's really easy to draw ]from any angle at all, and then it's easy to put the eyes and nose and ears in the right spot as long as you draw the glasses first.  Or something like that. . . it's like a "guideline" but it's harder to screw up, though obviously you still can (maybe I do this because I know what guidelines are, but not exactly what you're supposed to learn from them).  And it motivates you to get really good at drawing different styles of glasses.  If you can't figure out where a girl's breasts are, then give her blouse darts and stuff.  It becomes easier to orient the figure.

Ooh, I'll have to remember this the next time I'm drawing people or something. I imagine there were quite a few times where this strategy would've come in handy for me.

Something I spent hours practicing back in middle school was shading by drawing a lot of parallel lines all drawn the same direction, rather than scribbling back and forth like they usually tell you to.

I remember a few times where I discovered various techniques involved in arting. Particularly, looking at objects on my desk when I was young and wondering what it took to make a cube I drew seem real (i.e. perspective). I'm pretty sure some of that came from how-to-draw books, but it's still fun when you at least feel like you've discovered something like that :D .

If I've scribbled something and there's lots of stray lines, I don't get overly excited about "choosing which one is the real line." (snip)  Er. . . to be honest, I very rarely use an eraser when I'm just doodling around, mostly just to get rid of other pictures that are in the way of something I'm drawing that I prefer.

That's me. One thing I love doing is drawing a bunch of short strokes in a curve and seeing where I take that. Sometimes it's a mountainous landscape, and sometimes it's a bigger curve :P . And on erasing, I'd always make sure to keep the binder dividers clean after drawing, but eventually I'd leave one doodle behind, and then another, and pretty soon I have to start erasing to make room for new doodles, or even just to keep the pencil lead from smudging all over important stuff :) .

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« Reply #157 on: October 01, 2013, 11:48:04 pm »

I'm putting a post in here to remind me to read through it at some point.
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« Reply #158 on: October 01, 2013, 11:55:10 pm »

Well. . . thank you, everyone, for kindly watching over me like this.  I'll keep trying and posting, I guess.  I have a couple of pictures I want to draw, so once I get those done I can put them up.  These ones I won't even draw on lined paper!

Figured out what went wrong with Miss Right, anyway.  Her hair is too fucking long, which makes her look soft instead of crisp.  I did the hair before doing the expression. . . and she ended up with gathered lines at the shoulder seam, too (I always make those kinds of mistakes, haha; ).  Well, maybe they're just almost-twins, then.  They're still cute.


Because..well, it's developed as you go on. No standard or exact technique and all that--I'm betting you're drawing from observation? That's how I learned, and it works pretty well..only recently went into drawing...as a hobby lately. And it's all informal :x

Er. . . maybe?  I don't know.  I didn't exactly copy from other people around me drawing, or ever try to copy anyone else's style (I did one or two Toriyama-ish things, mostly involving putting Vegeta in dresses, and one or two Rumiko Takahashi things, and that was sort of it for imitation).  I just. . . draw. . . stuff. . .
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« Reply #159 on: October 02, 2013, 03:39:55 am »

I'm putting a post in here to remind me to read through it at some point.
I think I'm doing the same thing. I've read the first two pages and I feel the advice coming through here could be relevant to me... when I can be bothered reading it.

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« Reply #160 on: October 02, 2013, 04:03:33 am »

Yeah uh I wish I could give some constructive feedback on your work, but I have no idea what I'm doing myself so I'm not sure what value my insight has? All I can say it looks good, at least from my point of view. I'm actually a little envious, I really wish I could draw like that.
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« Reply #161 on: October 02, 2013, 04:26:30 pm »

Kinda simply ptwing, but on the other hand, I do have to agree with the others, Vector.
All things considered, that's pretty good.


Hmm... I might throw something on here in the near future. Depends upon if I can get something to take a picture of a semi-decent quality.
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« Reply #162 on: October 02, 2013, 05:03:07 pm »

PTW

Your latest attempts are far from bad. Actually, comparing to what you've posted earlier, they're a really good improvement.


Anyway, since you've posted earlier that you wanted to do full body sketches, you might want to check this out: http://foervraengd.deviantart.com/art/UNDERSTANDING-ANATOMY-part-I-220251993

It's the first part of a series of tutorial on DA about Anatomy that I've found helpful.
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« Reply #163 on: October 02, 2013, 08:04:39 pm »

I just remembered something, don't know why I didn't think of it before, considering I do it all the time.

Draw a whole bunch of circles to represent the mass of a body and create some hideously/beautifully deformed creature, it'll turn out better than you think.

try ratmen or some sort of grendel-like abomination.


... Thought that my help the creative juices! Try it or don't: you're purty darn good! Better than me that's for sure.  8)
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« Reply #164 on: October 02, 2013, 08:42:41 pm »

I just remembered something, don't know why I didn't think of it before, considering I do it all the time.

Draw a whole bunch of circles to represent the mass of a body and create some hideously/beautifully deformed creature, it'll turn out better than you think.

try ratmen or some sort of grendel-like abomination.


... Thought that my help the creative juices! Try it or don't: you're purty darn good! Better than me that's for sure.  8)

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