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[Meph]

Smelter? makes sense, since all races have access to it.

[Apani]

Actually, I don't think Dwarves or Ogres Orcs should even bother with it.

[Apani]

So, I didn't know exactly what to associate every sand with, so I went: Yellow:Iron White:Gypsum Black:Obsidian Red:Gold (the last one is particularly randomly thrown in). How much realistic is that?

[Meph]

shouldnt red be iron? You know, iron oxide II, rust makes it red?

[Apani]

Oh well, I'd just read on wikipedia: "Many sands, especially those found extensively in Southern Europe, have iron impurities within the quartz crystals of the sand, giving a deep yellow color.".
But your version is probably finer.
Oh well, I'd just read on wikipedia: "Many sands, especially those found extensively in Southern Europe, have iron impurities within the quartz crystals of the sand, giving a deep yellow color.".
But your version is probably finer.
Reactions so far:

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[REACTION:SMELT_NUGGETS]
[NAME:Extract nugget from sandy gravel]
[BUILDING:SMELTER:NONE]
[REAGENT:A:1:POWDER_MISC:NONE:NONE:NONE][HAS_MATERIAL_REACTION_PRODUCT:GRAVEL_MAT]
[PRODUCT:100:1:TOOL:ITEM_TOOL_GRAVELNUGGET:GET_MATERIAL_FROM_REAGENT:A:GRAVEL_MAT]
[SKILL:SMELT]

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[REACTION:MELT_NUGGETS]
[NAME:Melt 2 metal nuggets to ingot]
[BUILDING:SMELTER:NONE]
[REAGENT:A:2:TOOL:ITEM_TOOL_GRAVELNUGGET:NONE:NONE][REACTION_CLASS:METALNUGGET_MAT]
[PRODUCT:100:1:BAR:NONE:GET_MATERIAL_FROM_REAGENT:A:NONE]
[SKILL:SMELT]

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[REACTION:KOBOLD_GYPSUMPLASTER]
[NAME:Make gypsum plaster]
[BUILDING:GREATOVEN:NONE]
[REAGENT:Gypsum:1:NONE:NONE:NONE:NONE][REACTION_CLASS:GIPSUM]
[REAGENT:Bag:1:BOX:NONE:NONE:NONE][BAG][EMPTY][PRESERVE_REAGENT][CAN_USE_ARTIFACT]
[PRODUCT:100:1:POWDER_MISC:NONE:INORGANIC:PLASTER][PRODUCT_DIMENSION:150][PRODUCT_TO_CONTAINER:Bag]
[SKILL:WOOD_BURNING][FUEL]I'm also going to craft obsidian swords from obsidian gravel.

[Apani]

The shells yield by prospecting sand are the leather-like big ones used for armor. I was looking for the small, refuse-like ones.

[Meph]

Cant be done. The shells "like refuse" are bodyparts, which cant be produced in reactions.

[Apani]

New release.

[Meph]

Let me know when you are finished, then I will have another look. Or is this new release you final version?

[Apani]

I gave a few fixes to the sand smelting sistem. Here is the current process, if anybody is interested:

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[REACTION:KOBOLD_PURIFY_SAND]
[NAME:Sift throught sand]
[BUILDING:DIRT_DIGGER:NONE]
[REAGENT:BAG:1:BOX:NONE:NONE:NONE][EMPTY][BAG][PRESERVE_REAGENT][CAN_USE_ARTIFACT]
[REAGENT:BAG2:1:BOX:NONE:NONE:NONE][EMPTY][BAG][PRESERVE_REAGENT][CAN_USE_ARTIFACT]
[REAGENT:GRATE:1:GRATE:NONE:NONE:NONE][PRESERVE_REAGENT][CAN_USE_ARTIFACT]
[REAGENT:SAND:1:BOULDER:NONE:INORGANIC:NONE][REACTION_CLASS:IMPURESAND_MAT][HAS_MATERIAL_REACTION_PRODUCT:FIRED_MAT]
[PRODUCT:80:1:POWDER_MISC:NONE:INORGANIC:SAND_TAN][PRODUCT_DIMENSION:150][PRODUCT_TO_CONTAINER:BAG]
[PRODUCT:7:1:BOULDER:NONE:INORGANIC:CLAY]
[PRODUCT:6:1:POWDER_MISC:NONE:GET_MATERIAL_FROM_REAGENT:SAND:FIRED_MAT][PRODUCT_SIZE:150][PRODUCT_TO_CONTAINER:BAG2]
[PRODUCT:2:1:ROUGH:NONE:INORGANIC:CLEAR GARNET]
[PRODUCT:1:1:ROUGH:NONE:INORGANIC:RUBY]
[PRODUCT:1:1:ROUGH:NONE:INORGANIC:SAPPHIRE]
[PRODUCT:2:1:ROUGH:NONE:INORGANIC:TOPAZ]
[PRODUCT:1:1:ROUGH:NONE:INORGANIC:DIAMOND_LY]
[PRODUCT:3:1:SKIN_TANNED:NONE:CREATURE_MAT:ANIMAL:SHELL]
[SKILL:MILLING]The gravels:

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[INORGANIC:METALLIC_YELLOWSAND]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:SOIL_TEMPLATE]
[STATE_NAME_ADJ:ALL_SOLID:gold sandy gravel][DISPLAY_COLOR:6:6:1][TILE:141]
[MATERIAL_REACTION_PRODUCT:GRAVEL_MAT:INORGANIC:GOLD]
[MATERIAL_VALUE:5]
[SOLID_DENSITY:1600]

[INORGANIC:METALLIC_WHITESAND]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:SOIL_TEMPLATE]
[STATE_NAME_ADJ:ALL_SOLID:gypsum sandy gravel][DISPLAY_COLOR:7:7:1][TILE:141]
[MATERIAL_REACTION_PRODUCT:GRAVEL_MAT:INORGANIC:GYPSUM]
[MATERIAL_VALUE:2]
[SOLID_DENSITY:1600]

[INORGANIC:METALLIC_BLACKSAND]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:SOIL_TEMPLATE]
[STATE_NAME_ADJ:ALL_SOLID:obsidian sandy gravel][DISPLAY_COLOR:0:0:1][TILE:141]
[MATERIAL_REACTION_PRODUCT:GRAVEL_MAT:INORGANIC:OBSIDIAN]
[MATERIAL_VALUE:3]
[SOLID_DENSITY:1600]

[INORGANIC:METALLIC_REDSAND]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:SOIL_TEMPLATE]
[STATE_NAME_ADJ:ALL_SOLID:iron sandy gravel][DISPLAY_COLOR:4:4:1][TILE:141]
[MATERIAL_REACTION_PRODUCT:GRAVEL_MAT:INORGANIC:IRON]
[MATERIAL_VALUE:4]
[SOLID_DENSITY:1600]The smelting:

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[REACTION:SMELT_NUGGETS]
[NAME:Extract minerals from sandy gravel]
[BUILDING:SMELTER:NONE]
[REAGENT:GRAVEL:150:POWDER_MISC:NONE:NONE:NONE][HAS_MATERIAL_REACTION_PRODUCT:GRAVEL_MAT]
[REAGENT:BAG:1:BOX:NONE:NONE:NONE][BAG][PRESERVE_REAGENT][CAN_USE_ARTIFACT][CONTAINS:GRAVEL]
[PRODUCT:100:1:TOOL:ITEM_TOOL_GRAVELNUGGET:GET_MATERIAL_FROM_REAGENT:GRAVEL:GRAVEL_MAT]
[PRODUCT:20:1:TOOL:ITEM_TOOL_GRAVELNUGGET:GET_MATERIAL_FROM_REAGENT:GRAVEL:GRAVEL_MAT]
[SKILL:SMELT][FUEL]For iron and gold (I added [REACTION_CLASS:METALNUGGET_MAT] to them):

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[REACTION:MELT_NUGGETS]
[NAME:Melt 4 metal fragments to bar]
[BUILDING:SMELTER:NONE]
[REAGENT:A:4:TOOL:ITEM_TOOL_GRAVELNUGGET:NONE:NONE][REACTION_CLASS:METALNUGGET_MAT]
[PRODUCT:100:1:BAR:NONE:GET_MATERIAL_FROM_REAGENT:A:NONE][PRODUCT_SIZE:150]
[SKILL:SMELT][FUEL]For obsidian (why didn't we have obsidian weapons already? and why don't we have almost any daggers?):

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[REACTION:KOBOLD_OBSIDIAN_DAGGER]
[NAME:Craft obsidian dagger from shards]
[BUILDING:CRAFTSMAN:NONE]
[REAGENT:SHARD:2:TOOL:ITEM_TOOL_GRAVELNUGGET:INORGANIC:OBSIDIAN]
[REAGENT:HANDLE:1:WOOD:NONE:NONE:NONE][PRESERVE_REAGENT]
[PRODUCT:100:1:WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_LARGE_DAGGER:INORGANIC:OBSIDIAN][PRODUCT_SIZE:150]
[SKILL:STONECRAFT]For gypsum:

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[REACTION:KOBOLD_KILN_GYPSUMPLASTER]
[NAME:Make plaster from 2 gypsum fragments]
[BUILDING:GREATOVEN:NONE]
[REAGENT:Gypsum:2:TOOL:ITEM_TOOL_GRAVELNUGGET:INORGANIC:GYPSUM]
[REAGENT:Bag:1:BOX:NONE:NONE:NONE][BAG][EMPTY][PRESERVE_REAGENT][CAN_USE_ARTIFACT]
[PRODUCT:100:1:POWDER_MISC:NONE:INORGANIC:PLASTER][PRODUCT_DIMENSION:150][PRODUCT_TO_CONTAINER:Bag]
[SKILL:WOOD_BURNING][FUEL]This is the "nugget", I don't know why but it gets a negative Dwarfbucks value:

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[ITEM_TOOL:ITEM_TOOL_GRAVELNUGGET]
[NAME:fragment:fragments]
[TILE:42]
[SIZE:50]
[MATERIAL_SIZE:1]I think I'm going to add a reaction to make fire clay/kaolinite at the chemist, then I think it'll be done.

[silentdeth]

Edit: I r dumb

[Apani]

Added reactions to make plaster from gypsum stones too and pearlash to the Kiln. Should I remove them for the Kobolds from the vanilla Clay Oven, turning it into a mere soil collector issuer?

Here are the reaction for fire clay and kaolinite:

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[REACTION:MAKE_FIRECLAY_KOBOLD]
[NAME:Make refractory clay]
[BUILDING:GREMLIN_CHEMIST:NONE]
[REAGENT:SAND:150:POWDER_MISC:NONE:INORGANIC:SAND_TAN]
[REAGENT:BAG:1:BOX:NONE:NONE:NONE][BAG][PRESERVE_REAGENT][CAN_USE_ARTIFACT][CONTAINS:SAND]
[REAGENT:CLAY:1:BOULDER:NONE:INORGANIC:CLAY]
[PRODUCT:80:1:BOULDER:NONE:INORGANIC:FIRE_CLAY]
[SKILL:LYE_MAKING]

[REACTION:MAKE_KAOLIN_KOBOLD]
[NAME:Make kaolinite]
[BUILDING:GREMLIN_CHEMIST:NONE]
[REAGENT:SAND:150:POWDER_MISC:NONE:INORGANIC:SAND_TAN]
[REAGENT:BAG:1:BOX:NONE:NONE:NONE][BAG][PRESERVE_REAGENT][CAN_USE_ARTIFACT][CONTAINS:SAND]
[REAGENT:A:1:BOULDER:NONE:NONE:NONE][REACTION_CLASS:FLUX]
[REAGENT:CLAY:1:BOULDER:NONE:INORGANIC:FIRE_CLAY]
[PRODUCT:60:1:BOULDER:NONE:INORGANIC:KAOLINITE]
[SKILL:LYE_MAKING]I was thinking about fire clay requiring flux to be fired, as well.

[Meph]

Sand and Clay makes Fireclay? And Fireclay, Flux and Sand gives Kaolinite? How close is this to RL?

Otherwise, nice progress. In the end we just have to find a good split between Pottery, Kiln, Clay Oven, Sand Smelting Cistern and whatnot. I am sure some things can be combined or added to existing features.

[Apani]

I read on internet Refractory Clay (i.e. Fire clay) paste is normal clay to which is added a sand or chamotte percentage.
To make a porcelain paste you're probably going to need Kaolin no matter what, but since Kobolds are never actually going to get Kaolin (except for import, of course), I might as well add a late-game way to get it.
Any idea on why nuggets get a negative value?
Also, for obsidian and gypsum "nuggets" (I renamed nuggets to fragments), would it be possible to assemble them back into boulders?

[Meph]

Any idea on why nuggets get a negative value? => Why negative value?

I would make nuggets + fuel => smelt into bar. And for the fragments of rock: Just scrap them, it makes no sense to make a boulder from them. I would just directly find a boulder, but with 10 times lower chance of happening.