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Re: Everything: Gaiden
« Reply #13275 on: March 29, 2014, 03:38:48 pm »

((So if he looked at a theory, would he be able to discern the parts of it that are the absolute truth and the parts of it that are not? For example, if say, the non-deterministic phenomena of quantum physics had a yet to be to found basis that is entirely deterministic, would he know that the effects are the absolute truth but the true randomness of it is not?))
((He wouldn't know anything they didn't already, but apart from that, he would know which was true and which was complete lies.))

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« Reply #13276 on: March 29, 2014, 03:40:20 pm »

((What if the theory had the correct results but the incorrect reasoning? Is it "absolute truth" or "truth as we know it"?))
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« Reply #13277 on: March 29, 2014, 03:41:18 pm »

((What if the theory had the correct results but the incorrect reasoning? Is it "absolute truth" or "truth as we know it"?))
((Truth as you know it. Corvus would know it was lies, but he wouldn't be able to say what the real reason was unless some other form of non-godly creature figures it out.))

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« Reply #13278 on: March 29, 2014, 03:43:13 pm »

((So if the accepted reasoning contradicts it he would know it is false? What if it is true and the accepted reasoning is false whilst there is nothing to vindicate the former or refute the latter?))
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« Reply #13279 on: March 29, 2014, 03:44:40 pm »

((So if the accepted reasoning contradicts it he would know it is false? What if it is true and the accepted reasoning is false whilst there is nothing to vindicate the former or refute the latter?))
((Former: He would.
Latter: He would know that the accepted reasoning is lies and that the former is true, but not why, unless, again, a non-godly entity figures out why.))

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« Reply #13280 on: March 29, 2014, 03:46:03 pm »

((So to sum it up, knowing the absolute truth of all mortal ideas yet knowing why?))
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« Reply #13281 on: March 29, 2014, 03:48:46 pm »

((Lemme put it like this;
Mortal A proposes Idea A, which is bull, to Corvus, who can tell it is, but he doesn't know the real explanation nor why it is bull. Mortal B proposes a rebuttal to Idea A, Idea B, which is also bull, and Corvus knows.
Mortal C proposes Idea C, which is right, and Corvus knows, and instantaneously adds that to his pool of knowledge on the side of 'real knowledge' rather than 'speculation'. ))

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« Reply #13282 on: March 29, 2014, 03:50:41 pm »

((Cue half the knowledge pool being incomprehensible ramblings of madmen who stumbled across the truth :P))
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« Reply #13283 on: March 29, 2014, 03:53:35 pm »

((Cue half the knowledge pool being incomprehensible ramblings of madmen who stumbled across the truth :P))
((Most likely.))

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« Reply #13284 on: March 29, 2014, 03:58:32 pm »

((How truthful is the absolute truth anyway? Would he discern that phenomena X occurs because of reason Y to be true, or would he instead declare that phenomena X occurs because setting creator Z says so, is in fact true? Or is what I have presented a mere false dichotomy and both will be declared true/false?))
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« Reply #13285 on: March 29, 2014, 04:00:41 pm »

((How truthful is the absolute truth anyway? Would he discern that phenomena X occurs because of reason Y to be true, or would he instead declare that phenomena X occurs because setting creator Z says so, is in fact true? Or is what I have presented a mere false dichotomy and both will be declared true/false?))
((Whichever one is more convenient at the time.))

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« Reply #13286 on: March 29, 2014, 04:01:56 pm »

((So if he were to discern the same two propositions at a later time, their truthfulness may have changed?))
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« Reply #13287 on: March 29, 2014, 04:02:29 pm »

((So if he were to discern the same two propositions at a later time, their truthfulness may have changed?))
((*shrug*))

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« Reply #13288 on: March 29, 2014, 04:07:14 pm »

((What if he is asked to resolve a matter such as Hempel's Raven, The Ship of Theseus or a paradox? Is there truth within "This statement is false"?))
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« Reply #13289 on: March 29, 2014, 04:10:43 pm »

((What if he is asked to resolve a matter such as Hempel's Raven, The Ship of Theseus or a paradox? Is there truth within "This statement is false"?))
((As the truth would blow out a mere mortal's mind, he would calmly decline to prove the matter....or leave it to the Trickster.))
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