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AngelxAlistair (Toy ship ahoy!)

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RichardxCyrielle (Yes, she's a side character. No, that does not make this any less cute.)

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MariaxSelinaxYurixNuriel (HAREM)

5 (21.7%)

RichardxCamille (The only couple who knew each other for longer than two months. Woo~)

1 (4.3%)

AshleyxConnyxNurielxBismuth (OPPOSING HAREM)

1 (4.3%)

LylexEveryone (An Uke and five Semes. Go figure.)

2 (8.7%)

AlistairxCatherine (Minako, eat your heart out.)

0 (0%)

MariaxSelina (The original, accept no substitutes.)

1 (4.3%)

LyleXRichard (Too much yuri, not enough yaoi.)

1 (4.3%)

IzzyxLucas (Because a normal tsundere is not enough.)

1 (4.3%)

WillxStella (*insert witty tagline here*)

2 (8.7%)

MariexEveryone (Marie, duh.)

2 (8.7%)

AshleyXRichard (Screw retcons, I want my OTP now!)

1 (4.3%)

MariaxMattxSelina (The original OT3. And who was Matt again?)

2 (8.7%)

Richard/CyriellexFourth Wall (Who didn't see this coming?)

2 (8.7%)

Total Members Voted: 23

[GreatWyrmGold]

over by now? so you do no longer wish to play Nuriel?
should have said so from the start, in that case I wouldn't have gone demon hunting. I thought the plot was not over yet.

The plot isn't over with, that's my point. A little proactivity and the portal would have never opened.

I think he meant that as 'if people had thought there was a problem despite me not hinting at one then this might be over faster'.

...He's a demon, who was being cornered by the King of Hell. How the hell is he trustworthy? Why the hell did Lucifer et al think he wouldn't try to pull a fast one to save his own hide?

[Akroma]

for someone who values wisdom and knowledge over power, Seham certainly was impatient. Lucifers original plan was to give him advice and to *buy* Will from him. Instead, Seham now has a big bright target painted on his back. Seham fucked up, not Lucifer. Lucifer only said he'd go and see what he can do about getting Will back. Will is back. 100% success


also, Kyle is no longer with the main cast because his strategy to solving problems is to run away and pretend there are none. I mean, whatever happened to the part where he wanted to be a good father to Lunette? But nope, the moment he faces some critique, bam, all resolution is gone, and he abandons his family to live on the other end of the world. True, ICARUS coud have handled the whole thing a bit better, but seriously, Kyle is a terrible father

[kj1225]

I'm not talking about that.
I'm talking about the fact that there was no reason to think Will or Angel were in trouble.

And why wouldn't Kyle get away from the plqce where he got yelled at for reacting to stress normally?

[Akroma]

because doing so means abandoning most of his friends and his family. Kyle is a father and has responsibilities, you know.

[Atnegam]

Wait, all audio feed is heard through the bracelets? So Mal gets to hear this?

"Yeah, it's really embarrasing to watch Rose make such an obviously wrong choice. Mallory over you? Just silly. Even by heteronormative standards."[/glow]

PLEASE LET HIM HEAR THIS SO HE CAN GO INTO VENTING MODE. xD

[Akroma]

yup, he heared this

[Atnegam]

Fucking phone can't format quotes well xD but yaaaaay

[kj1225]

It's better than him growing hateful of Icarus.

[Atnegam]

Yeah,  it's why he does it xD. Sadly it's going to have to wait until after my speech class.

[kj1225]

Actually I was responding to Akroma trying to paint Kyle as a bad person.

[GreatWyrmGold]

for someone who values wisdom and knowledge over power, Seham certainly was impatient. Lucifers original plan was to give him advice and to *buy* Will from him.

Will, the thing that made the portal work*. The portal, the only thing that was going to let him get out of his rut.
Lucifer, well-known for being truthful, as his title of "The Lord of Lies" and status as a demon indicates.

*Well, technically it'll work, in a way similar to how a car without an ignition system will work.

Seham fucked up, not Lucifer. Lucifer only said he'd go and see what he can do about getting Will back. Will is back. 100% success

1. Seham did not "fuck up" if Lucifer did not. He got what he wanted, and he'd rather be hunted but have that world than not have that world and be invaded anyways because he's a weak target.
2. Lucifer definitely dropped the ball. Sure, he did what he was asked to, but did he do it well?

also, Kyle is no longer with the main cast because his strategy to solving problems is to run away and pretend there are none. I mean, whatever happened to the part where he wanted to be a good father to Lunette? But nope, the moment he faces some critique, bam, all resolution is gone, and he abandons his family to live on the other end of the world. True, ICARUS coud have handled the whole thing a bit better, but seriously, Kyle is a terrible father

And boyfriend. And friend. And person.

I'm not talking about that.
I'm talking about the fact that there was no reason to think Will or Angel were in trouble.

There are so many things wrong with that.
Angel and Will vanished without a word. Nothing is wrong with that?
Angel apparently stayed in her parents' hospital room for an extended period of time, and apparently removed and lost her bracelet somehow. Nothing is wrong with that?
Will was recorded being beaten up and dragged into the woods. Nothing is wrong with that?!?
I could go on.

And why wouldn't Kyle get away from the plqce where he got yelled at for reacting to stress normally?

I don't think he was reacting "normally," or at least not well.
Kyle's sounding like a damn big jerk, apathetic to everyone except himself. Is this intentional?

It's better than him growing hateful of Icarus.

Why?

Actually I was responding to Akroma trying to paint Kyle as a bad person.

I don't think it's "painting" so much as "outlining".

[Twi]

Kyle's not really a bad person,but he is certainly very, very flawed. And I'm okay with that. I think.

[IamanElfCollaborator]

Before we start character bashing, might I add that taking this to IRC might be a better idea than, y'know, letting it descend into ad hominem insults / just outright bashing here? Character bashing in itself makes up about third quarters of the arguments here.

[kj1225]

Kyle is unable to help his friend so of course he's a jerk for being greatly upset by it.
 And when has Kyle intentionally been a bad friend?
No one talked about the video and Kyle could care less about Will anyways.
And why would Angel need a reason to take off her bracelet?
Why does any of the cast need one?
It would be bad for her mental health.
Fuck you GWG I'm trying to play him the way I think he should be played.

[IamanElfCollaborator]

Kyle is unable to help his friend so of course he's a jerk for being greatly upset by it.
 And when has Kyle intentionally been a bad friend?
No one talked about the video and Kyle could care less about Will anyways.
And why would Angel need a reason to take off her bracelet?
Why does any of the cast need one?
It would be bad for her mental health.
Fuck you GWG I'm trying to play him the way I think he should be played.

And here is why I want this discussion off thread, mainly because then it leads to more people bashing shit, which, frankly, makes no sense.

I agree with Twi; Kyle is immensely flawed, but he isn't a bad guy.