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Re: 4! Player Boardgame suggestiosn Required!
« Reply #15 on: August 16, 2013, 04:07:35 pm »

A entertaining game to play is Last Night on Earth (Zombie Apocalypse RPG in the style of a B-Movie. Quite fun).

Another good one is Ticket to Ride (set up rail lines across the US).

Category 5 is better with more than 4 players (numbers card game); alternatively No Thanks! is a good one, especially if you want to be a dick and use a 'Play to Lose' strategy to screw everyone over and somehow gain a lead (most effective against a team of 'Play to Win' Optimists). There's a reason my siblings no longer want me to play that game against them. I actually won a round by playing to lose. Everyone gained upwards to 60+ points, and I made off with less than 30 (points = bad). A lead player crashed towards 5th place (out of 6 or 7 players) in that round, and I rose 2 ranks.
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Re: 4! Player Boardgame suggestiosn Required!
« Reply #16 on: August 16, 2013, 05:00:21 pm »

Being kind of "the boardgame guy" in my usual circles, I always feel responsible when introducing new people to boardgaming. I'll usually pick a game that's good for beginners, sometimes at the expense of fun for other people. Although I now don't really like it, I feel Catan is still the best introductory boardgame I know :) Introductory boardgames usually have quite a bit of dice, but are less reliant on dice than Risk/Monopoly (I roll more than you, I win), and have some meaningful decisions.

Some people really like Munchkin, but I really don't. It takes forever, there's really barely any strategy, and it just goes on and on and one of screwing whoever is winning. It's kinda fun as you get to know the cards because the cards themselves are nice parody, but at some point you know them all.

Game of Thrones and Agricola are in no way, shape or form good introductory boardgames. They take way too long, have infinite rules, and no "usual" dice-rolling.

I really don't like deck-building games because they are usually single-player games, and I love boardgames because of their social component, so I'm going to refrain from commenting on those.

Another nice intro boardgame is Pandemic, like someone else suggested it, but if you win it sucks because it just seems easy. Losing it the first time around makes people really want to start again. We tended to play Pandemic with open hands, so everyone knew what everyone else had. My advice: don't! After playing it with closed hands at someone else's suggestion, it *really* alleviates the problem of someone telling everyone else what to do. Also: if you've played before, refrain from making too many choices. Let the newbies do them (and preferably lose the game!).

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« Reply #17 on: August 16, 2013, 05:04:23 pm »

Pandemic is a co-op boardgame that takes around 40 minutes, is FAST to learn, and easy to set up.
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« Reply #18 on: August 16, 2013, 05:16:42 pm »

Yeah, I wanted insist on how coop might be awesome for more non-competitive people who are insecure about this being their first time boardgaming vs others who have done it before. I forgot, but Neonivek reminded me :)

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« Reply #19 on: August 16, 2013, 05:22:00 pm »

For more casual players Apples to Apples or its dickhead cousin Cards Against Humanity are lots of fun.

CAH is probably best if you know ahead of time that your friends aren't gonna hulk out if certain buttons get pushed.  I've never seen it be an issue but I've only played it with jaded internet people.  It's very politically incorrect and you never know.
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Re: 4! Player Boardgame suggestiosn Required!
« Reply #20 on: August 16, 2013, 05:23:34 pm »

Yeah, I wanted insist on how coop might be awesome for more non-competitive people who are insecure about this being their first time boardgaming vs others who have done it before. I forgot, but Neonivek reminded me :)

Hey I play other games! I got Red Dragon Inn and if he wasn't just 2 players I'd suggest it (the game is better with 3 players and best with 4)
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Re: 2 Player Boardgame suggestiosn Required!
« Reply #21 on: August 16, 2013, 05:36:43 pm »

Dominion
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Galaxy Trucker is a lot of fun with 4 people as well.  It plays a bit like FTL, but the best part is that you have a mad-scramble at the start to build your spaceship.
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Re: 4! Player Boardgame suggestiosn Required!
« Reply #22 on: August 16, 2013, 05:47:58 pm »

Cards Against Humanity

Can be the most hilarious card game ever if you get a good group of people together in the right mood for it.

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« Reply #23 on: August 17, 2013, 04:07:12 am »

Dominion
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Game is so much fun.  :)

Galaxy Trucker is a lot of fun with 4 people as well.  It plays a bit like FTL, but the best part is that you have a mad-scramble at the start to build your spaceship.

I find Dominion to be totally single-player :(

Galaxy Trucker is amazing, and might actually be kind of OK as a first game, though it has a bit too many rules :)

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« Reply #24 on: August 17, 2013, 04:33:51 am »

Skimming through the list, these popped out at me.

Eclipse, basically a space 4x boardgame :D

Ticket to ride, be a railroad baron, very fun and dwarfy.

Pandemic, cooperative game where your goal is to save humanity from superviruses, pretty damn hard as well.

Back when you said you only had two people I really wanted to say Netrunner but they didn't have that on the list :(



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« Reply #25 on: August 17, 2013, 05:08:05 am »

Hmm, what do you guys like about Ticket to Ride? I thought it was a cute game at first, but then it ends up being fairly singleplayer (other than the occasional block), with not too many interesting choices. Gameplay can be very fast, which is always nice, but it doesn't have too much depth :( It's not overly exciting either. Just don't play it with someone who takes several minutes each turn... turns are supposed to take, like, 10s at most....

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« Reply #26 on: August 17, 2013, 05:29:44 am »

Galaxy Trucker is amazingly fun. It is a game that constantly confronts you with choices with no right answer. Never will you be as sad as when your ship spilts in half and you have to choose to fly the half with your cargo or the half with your engines.
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« Reply #27 on: August 17, 2013, 05:33:47 am »

If you only have one new player, I wouldn't worry too much about the game being "too hard" for them. I think we often make the mistake of thinking people who haven't found board gaming are stupid or something. Really, there aren't all that many skills you lack before you bust out your first real game. It doesn't matter how many games of BSG you've played - you're not going to be any further ahead of Joe the Plumber when the gang busts out Twilight Imperium for the first time. I honestly think it's kind of insulting to assume it's a bad idea to play "complex" games with new board gamers. I started a guy on BSG and Twilight Imperium on the same night, and he did fine. The tricky part is really in convincing people they want to play in the first place.

That said, I don't recommend BSG with 4. 5 is ideal. Go for 5. But if you really want to play it, feel free to play 4. It just won't be as good.

If you are looking for something "Rules Lite", Ticket to Ride is a good choice. It's also a good gateway game. Better than Catan, which it now outsells. There's enough random chance to keep it interesting, but enough player agency to make it fun.

In a similar vein to Ticket to Ride is Through the Desert. It comes with camels. Camels! I notice that this "Boardgame Cafe" doesn't have it, even though they have several versions of CSI: the Boardgame. Heathens.

Chaos in the Old World is the best game to bust out when you have exactly 4 players. You'd be remiss not to play it. You can't play it with five (unless you have the expansion), and it's not balanced for three. Play it quick. Knowledge of the setting (which I don't have) is not necessary.

If you want to go for heavy co-op, Lord of the Rings is good. You can play as Hobbits. Fury of the Dracula is a good semi co-op, too: Everybody teams up against Dracula.

I have a certain bias, in that I love BSG and hate Shadows Over Camelot, but if you're passing on BSG, I would not suggest SOC. They are about the same on the complexity scale (SOC has more boards you need to set up and actively place tokens on and keep track of; BSG involves the use of multiple card decks). There is a minority of people (including one or two notable bloggers) who will militantly defend SOC's honour as a game that is still relevant and/or good. This is true of everything. Unless you've got a lot of experimentation time, it's best to stick to what you're statistically more likely to enjoy.

I don't recommend starting out with "casual" games like Apples to Apples, Cards Against Humanity, or even Munchkin. It's really easy for new board gamers to get stuck in a rut with those ones, since they take about thirty seconds to explain, lack regulated end times, and don't let newbies in on what they've been missng all this time. A game with some depth to it (such as Ticket to Ride) is a far better entry.

A previous poster mentioned that Game of Thrones is a bad choice for new players. If you've played one or two games of Risk, you are ready for Game of Thrones. If your players start hankering to get into Diplomacy for some reason (probably reputation), suggest Game of Thrones instead. GoT has borrowed heavily from Diplomacy, but has made it far shorter and filled in some of the gaps. This is the most controversial thing I say amongst the board gaming club I run at my university: Unless you're playing online, you're better off playing Game of Thrones than Diplomacy. Game of Thrones is Diplomacy. But it's better. If you hate Game of Thrones, you're not going to have any luck with Diplomacy.

Though I notice that GoT is not on the list, so it's a moot point.

I wouldn't recommend starting with it, but Panic Station can be fun. It's like John Carpenter's "The Thing" in theme and mechanics. The downside is that it has some glaring holes in its design. It can still be fun despite this problem, but if you have people at the table who are grumps, I'd give it a pass.

Merchants and Marauders is wonky but ideally suited to four players who like pillaging.

When your brain goes to mush, you really can't go wrong with Cash & Guns. You actually literally can't. I've played a lot of board games with a lot of real douchebags at the university, and they've never caused a problem over this one. If the other three people suck for some reason, just bust this baby out and you're good to go.

If you pop down to 2 players again, here's a whole bunch from the list that I would suggest. Most 2-player games tend to be more complex than games with more players, but still do-able (and often easier, since you're less likely to get a rules lawyer the less players you have).

Twilight Struggle
War of the Ring
Hive < --- Hive is short, easy to play, and full of depth. You'd be foolish not to try it.
Memoir 44
Mr. Jack < --- My girlfriend and I play Pocket and Normal-Sized (which have different mechanics) and love it


If you really get into it, you might have to look into buying your own games, though. This Monopolatte place doesn't seem like it has the best selection (BSG is missing both the Pegasus and Exodus expansions, but they have the "unofficial" Daybreak Expansion? What?). Sometimes you can play at the FLGS, or at least post bulletins looking for other players.
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Re: 4! Player Boardgame suggestiosn Required!
« Reply #28 on: August 17, 2013, 05:43:40 am »

Hmm, what do you guys like about Ticket to Ride? I thought it was a cute game at first, but then it ends up being fairly singleplayer (other than the occasional block), with not too many interesting choices. Gameplay can be very fast, which is always nice, but it doesn't have too much depth :( It's not overly exciting either. Just don't play it with someone who takes several minutes each turn... turns are supposed to take, like, 10s at most....

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Ticket to Ride is probably the most accessible eurogame on the market. Moreso than Settlers of Catan because it isn't completely random chance (Catan has you rolling dice every turn to see who gets resources. Your fate is essentially sealed before the first turn). It still suffers from the eurogame problem of not having much player interaction, but all that blocking makes it better off comparatively. Compare it to Agricola where the only player interaction is "I chopped wood today, so now you can't chop wood hurr hurr". The interaction is also a step above Dominion (and other deck-builders), where players don't actually do anything meaningful to one another at all.

It's not all that deep or complex, though. It's certainly not the be-all, end-all of board games. The divide between experienced and inexperienced players has been widening over time, as well. My girlfriend has been playing it on her computer for a couple months and has essentially solved the vanilla version: she can do all the tickets every game without fail, meaning the only way to stop her is to force everybody into negative points by cutting off entire sections of the board, stealing all the tickets early on, or even just building trains in random places.

So much better than Catan, though. So much better.
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« Reply #29 on: August 17, 2013, 06:56:00 am »

Though I notice that GoT is not on the list, so it's a moot point.
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