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[highmax28]

I got this trade depot and It worked fine for the entire time until recently, and the only changes I did was I added 3 weapon traps. Does this change their route? Should I dismantle the traps?

[Torrasque666]

Wagons can't pass over traps. However, if you were attempting to make it safer, my advice is to build a path that snakes around and through the current one, and line the gaps between the crossings with traps. So it kinda looks like a $. This will cause the wagon to snake through, while causing invaders to take the shorter path.

[highmax28]

What I was gonna plan (can't do that now cause I realized the bedrooms are underneath) was create a pit full of traps leadingto the fortress and above it will be a bridge or two and it will only go up during attacks

[Merendel]

I normaly setup my trade depot as an airlocked side entrance.  Main entrance is traped to high heven (or deepest hell take your pick).  Side entrance with the depot in it has a draw bridge between the inside of the fort and the depot and another one between the depot and the outside.   When waiting for traders I have the inside one shut and the outside one open.  Once traders are at the depot I shut the outside and open the inside so dwarves can trade.   Safe, secure, and no potentially compromising security situations just so the traders can get in.

[AutomataKittay]

You can use shift-D with depot built to see the wagon access.

Yeah, weapon trap blocks access now, they're still usable if you have enough access from elsewhere, though.

[Fluoman]

Traps only block access to wagons though, so elven traders can cross them.
Another thing to try is the ramp exploit:

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WDDDDDW
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WW   WWZ+1 is just a 3-tile wide corridor starting from one ramp and stopping at the other.
Only wagons can go through such an entrance.

[smjjames]

Traps only block access to wagons though, so elven traders can cross them.
Another thing to try is the ramp exploit:

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Z0
WDDDDDW
WDDDDDW
WDDDDDW
WDDDDDW
WDDDDDW
WW   WW
WWRRRWW
WWWWWWW
WWWWWWW
WW   WW
WWRRRWW
WW   WWZ+1 is just a 3-tile wide corridor starting from one ramp and stopping at the other.
Only wagons can go through such an entrance.

So, do invaders not go up that way and bypass the traps? I'm not entirely convinced that ONLY wagons and not invaders can go up there.

[gabrek]

I avoid this problem by ensuring a paved, 3 tile wide path with no traps or obstacles and walled off from the sides directly into my trade depot, which is safely tucked into the side of an active volcano.
When a caravan arrives, I ensure maximum profits by providing every visitor with a nice hot bath and a shallow channel full of beautiful iron floor grates for them to enjoy. This method is so effective, my trader never even needs to go outside, and foreign visitors are so delighted by their treatment that they'll leave a gift of every magma-proof item in their possession, deposited neatly in said channel! This even works on those jerk-arse fish dissectors, milkers and animal caretakers that come to trade from the Mountainhome, without causing any "rebellions" or "separatist factions." I'm telling you, hot baths are the way to go.

Wagons are the only entities that can discern the location of your traps. Everyone else just blunders blindly over them.

[Garath]

Traps only block access to wagons though, so elven traders can cross them.
Another thing to try is the ramp exploit:

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Z0
WDDDDDW
WDDDDDW
WDDDDDW
WDDDDDW
WDDDDDW
WW   WW
WWRRRWW
WWWWWWW
WWWWWWW
WW   WW
WWRRRWW
WW   WWZ+1 is just a 3-tile wide corridor starting from one ramp and stopping at the other.
Only wagons can go through such an entrance.

wait, wagons don't need a wall next to the ramp to use it? in that case, no, invaders can't use it

[smjjames]

Traps only block access to wagons though, so elven traders can cross them.
Another thing to try is the ramp exploit:

Code: [Select]

Z0
WDDDDDW
WDDDDDW
WDDDDDW
WDDDDDW
WDDDDDW
WW   WW
WWRRRWW
WWWWWWW
WWWWWWW
WW   WW
WWRRRWW
WW   WWZ+1 is just a 3-tile wide corridor starting from one ramp and stopping at the other.
Only wagons can go through such an entrance.

wait, wagons don't need a wall next to the ramp to use it? in that case, no, invaders can't use it

What about other traders? If they can use it, so can invaders.

I tried to see if I had the right idea, however, fluoman, can you tell me what I'm doing wrong because apparently the other traders can. Though I don't know whether it's that they can leave via there, but not enter. I haven't had a chance to test with a wagon because I was moving the depot (that was before I made this test setup) and the traders arrived a bit earlier than I thought. It'll be half a year before the humans come with wagons.


Edit: Okay, when some of the guards started trying to path around the wall, they went back the way they came, so they can go either direction.

Edit: Oh you mean this: http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2012:Wagon ? So it only works in a north/south direction?

Edit2: After some testing, I understand it now. Checking about west-east though.

[Garath]

and no, since it only works for wagons, the other traders path around it, over the weapon traps. Yes, invaders can do that too, but it hurts them

since it was in your post and you didn't really answer it yourself

[Fluoman]

Hum yeah, sorry for dropping out and not following this thread, I could have answered some of these questions.
The Science comes from this thread.

[smjjames]

No problem about it, I got it figured out with a bit of experimentation.

[Fluoman]

I find this is the best way to figure things out in this game.