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Dream job... kinda sucks...
« on: August 15, 2013, 08:35:48 am »

So, last April I started what I had thought would be my "dream job". A professional programmer at age 20. The only job I'd thought about for 5-6 years. They even hired me not-quite-done with college.

The problem is it kinda sucks... and I can't quite say why. There's nothing I can point at and say "That! That's why I don't like coming into work."
The people I work with are all great. The office is... well, an office, nothing remarkable. The M-F, 8-5 schedule is nice.

It's just... boring? I guess? The past year seems like a dull grey blur, especially compared to the 9 months I was at my last (and only other) job, retail.

In mid-June I went to the doctor with an unpleasant swelling, turned out it was an abscessed pilonidal cyst. Surgery was a success, wound vac, healing well, etc. But I've only just started trying to work part time, and the feeling of "why am I subjecting myself to this?" is back strong... (Savings and insurance will have the medical bills covered.)

So Bay12, any advice for a 21 year old who's not sure what he wants out of life other than "not this"?
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Re: Dream job... kinda sucks...
« Reply #1 on: August 15, 2013, 10:48:54 am »

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They even hired me not-quite-done with college.
I'm curious about this; did you finish college afterwards?

I've got this impression that companies opt to hire people who haven't quite finished to have them on a tigher leash afterwards.
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Re: Dream job... kinda sucks...
« Reply #2 on: August 15, 2013, 11:26:00 am »

For the majority of people, your job is not what life is all about. If you can stand your job, it's probably best to stick with it for now.

Instead of looking for fulfillment from your career, look into hobbies and other aspects of your life. Those are more likely to give you satisfaction than anything you're required to do for money.


Of course, finding a tolerable job should be one of your higher priorities. Just understand it might take time and experimentation.
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« Reply #3 on: August 15, 2013, 11:51:36 am »

How much scope is there for creativity?  That was my problem with some of the first jobs I had, there wasn't much opportunity for expression.  Also if you're not that interested in the app area that can be a drag.  My first job had me literally coding the "TPV Report" - different views of total inventory and sales, thrill of a lifetime :p  (And yet the reports REALLY seemed to excite the end users, that was kind of mind-boggling but did help a bit).

Fortunately solving problems and making working programs made me feel good, otherwise I would have gone nuts.  The other thing I can suggest is (if you're not doing it already, it's almost ingrained behavior for programmers) to force use of different techniques/algorithms/packages - whatever you can do to learn something without putting TOO much impact on your projects.  It's also nice if your shop is small enough/flexible enough for you to do as much as possible of the "be the one who talks to the users, figure out what they need, design it, THEN build it" vs just being handed specs for tiny parts of some big incomprehensible blob of an app and you just put your head down and codemonkey all day.  Some people actually prefer that, I liked the change of pace - it broke up the day and I had some control over what kind of activity to do depending on my current mood.

And yeah, there's a reason they call it "work" and pay you, damn few jobs are exciting and enjoyable most of the time, let alone every day.

Summary:  You will have to figure out what parts you enjoy the most, ask for/change jobs until you get to do more of what you want and less of stuff you find dull.  Good luck!
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Re: Dream job... kinda sucks...
« Reply #4 on: August 15, 2013, 02:52:24 pm »

There's a difference between "you hate work" and "you hate working". The honeymoon's over and it's time to admit that while it may not be the most fulfilling job out there, if you still dream of being a programmer you should probably stick with this job for a while. You get two or three years of experience under your belt and other companies will be much more interested in hiring you for more 'exciting' jobs.

Just don't ever expect your job to fulfill your life. It's there as a source of income, and if it becomes anything more than that's great. If not there's plenty of other places in your life where you can find an outlet for what you want to express. You're probably just bored - Retail sucks, but at least there's a lot of variety and change and you interact with a bunch of different people. You don't get that excitement in your typical 5 days, 8 hours office job but you can bet it pays a heck of a lot more and probably even comes with some benefits.

You're comparatively young for an office job worker - Don't screw up any chances you may have for your career by quitting your job on a whim because it's "boring". I've quit for better reasons and had a hard time getting hired. At the most look for a better job, or work towards something that'll get you a better job, such as finishing or furthering your degree.


Find a hobby. Get creative in your spare time. If you're not burned out with programming at the end of the day, try making a game. Draw. Exercise. Grow a garden. Something. Very few people can subsist on a job alone, and those that do are consumed by their work and don't have anything else in life going for them. So find something that is out of the ordinary in your spare time and go with it. You'll start feeling better after a while.
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Re: Dream job... kinda sucks...
« Reply #5 on: August 15, 2013, 02:58:42 pm »

Having been in a programming job for over a decade now I can at least give you my impression on things.

Generally, I find that programming is fun when I can create something new, or tackle interesting problems. When I'm just going through the motions coding up something easy but time consuming, or doing endless rounds of bug fixing, it gets tedious and I find I enjoy my work a lot less.

So my first question would be: What do they have you doing?

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« Reply #6 on: August 17, 2013, 04:45:14 pm »

I work with a lot of younger (Less than 35 years old) programmers, who are all highly creative people and avid gamers....

And we work with inventory management, point of sale and light accounting software. So that's what they make and spend their time thinking about.

And given such a boring mandate, there's a few things they've said they do to find interest in what they're asked to do:

1. As was said, novel problems are more interesting to most programmers than ones that are well known and easy to solve.

2. Ownership of the project is really important, as personal responsibility does a lot for your motivation. People are tasked with whole chunks of the software, so they're invested in it being good, intelligently designed and pleasing to customers. Working on a part of a thing that is a part of a thing tends to diminish how much you really feel like this is your baby.

I'd ask yourself why programming was your dream job. The ability to get paid to work with code? What is it about working with code now that you're not getting. How the hell does retail seem more interesting than programming to you? Was it the interaction with customers? The lack of "Please be doing something every second of your life" work ethic?

Jobs are overrated but necessary, most wage slaves will probably agree with that. I took my sweet ass time finding a "career" and I still have a hard time getting up some mornings. But I work for a very small company so I have to look everyone in the eye and we're all ultimately responsible for the success or failure of our company. So that does A LOT to make me get up and do my job and invest myself in it (not just the fragment of myself that can press keys and answer questions in monotone.)

Is your job not very demanding? Maybe you need to shoot for a position of higher responsibility. Or maybe you need to get out of business software and into the kind of software that utilizes your interests and creativity. 

We've recently hired a few people either fresh out of college or nearing graduation...and your experience sounds similar to theirs. They're happy to be there, happy to get a paycheck, but they don't really feel the purpose and drive they expected. In short, they simply don't seem ready to do the career thing because it wasn't their true motivation. Their true motivation was to do thing they'd been raised to believe they should do: pick a field and make sure you get a job doing it. Well, you've done that. MISSION ACCOMPLISHED! Now what? And more importantly, why? Oh, there's no school or class or guidance counselors or even parents telling me what's expected anymore? Well shit. I'm not trying to be patronizing at all. It seems self evident but suddenly when no one is telling you what you should be doing anymore, a lot of people find themselves a drift in a sea of possibilities.

It took me many years after graduating college and fucking around doing this and that before I realized what I needed to feel normal was some stability, some responsibility, some rigor. A McJob to keep me grounded so I could start dreaming again. I went from doing what I wanted, when I wanted for several years and steadily becoming bored and cynical and miserable, to having a job and feeling the 9 to 5 grind.....and actually enjoying myself again when I did have free time. In a way it's like being back in school, pressure all around you, but the context is very different. As are the rewards and risks.

So maybe you're not at that point in your life where routine is a necessity. You're still young and feeling like life could be more dynamic and interesting than M-F, 9 to 5, bug lists and software meetings. That's cool. Maybe there's still some experience you've yet to have that your inner self feels it needs but hasn't articulated yet. Personally, I got mine. I got my couple years of zero responsibility, pure hedonism and indulgence that I felt my soul required after highschool, a goodly number of jobs and college. It was pretty sweet. But I'm done with that now and moving on into the next phase of me. And for those that did the straight high school --> college --> McJob progression....I can easily see where many feel like they didn't really have the "them" time they felt becoming an adult should grant them. Life from Junior High on until your career often feels like someone has been doing a lot of your thinking for you. For those that weren't born going "I WILL be a doctor!" or "I will travel to a foreign country and solve problems!", becoming an adult and getting an adult life can feel incredibly anti-climatic. Especially after years of following along with the big plan you've been sold since you were probably in 6th grade.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, don't sweat it. People often talk about the teen years being all emo, but there's a period of young adult ennui too.  It's for different reasons, but in a way it still contributes to feeling displaced and unsettled, something you're kind of taught to believe magically goes away after graduating college. All I can say is, the 30 year old me would like to talk to the 20 year old me and be able to say "don't worry, it does get better. But it has everything to do with you and what you need right now."

Instead of changing jobs or doing something dramatic.....make a plan that doesn't involve work. Decide there's a fantasy or a dream you've always wanted fulfilled, like going somewhere you've always liked. Or saving enough money to buy something you've always wanted, like a badass gaming command center, a car, a house, something that doesn't involve a lot of money and consumerism, whatever. Get preggers with someone who is awesome.

Start making a life, 'cause you're an adult now! That's what this has all been about, becoming empowered to do the things you want to do! The college fund your family paid into for years/student loans you're paying for, the years of study, all of that has been so you could think of something you wanted to do and do it. Going to work is really less than half of what it means to be an adult, unless you choose to make it otherwise. Work so you can live your life, not the other way around.
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Re: Dream job... kinda sucks...
« Reply #7 on: August 18, 2013, 07:21:08 pm »

Reading this, as a programming student at uni, has now made me very concerned that something similar might happen to me. At least I have some advance warning however.
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« Reply #8 on: August 18, 2013, 11:19:00 pm »

I think nenjin's main point was that it'll happen with any job, not just programming. Learning how to deal with the tedium of work is part of life. We kind of grow up expecting a lie, a world where work is exciting as TV, full of love interests and interesting things going on but the reality is that work is just that: Work.

The big problem is when you build your job up to be the biggest thing in your life, but you ultimately find it unfulfilling. You're suddenly bored with what you've rested all your hopes of an exciting, interesting life on. Trust me: Even people who have one of those awesomely amazing jobs can get bored of them after a while. There's a pretty clear separation between work and fun.

Just find something substantial to fill your non-work-life with, use your job to supplement and pay for your hobby, and you'll be alright.


Inversely, I find the idea of having a job that is your life to be dangerous, since it could be detrimental to everything else in your life (Family, friends, learning, relaxation, entertainment) and you're ultimately work towards something that you can lose in the next round of company downsizing. It's better to have a boring job than a job that you pour your life and soul into. Even worse are the ones that demand your life and soul.
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« Reply #9 on: August 19, 2013, 10:53:07 am »

The closest thing I found to the answer to all those "What the hell am I doing with my life?", "What's the point of all this?", "Am I missing something?", "So... this is it? Like, the thing I always wanted? But it doesn't feel any different!" and similar nagging existential worries and questions is raptitude.com, a blog I recently discovered. I won't go into great lengths of what is it about, since it's all there, so just give it a shot. Go to the archive, open a bunch of articles which interest you, see if that's what you're looking for. I don't know your whole life experience, so I can't give you the one piece of advice you're looking for, but I think there's a good chance that you'll find some of it there.
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« Reply #10 on: August 19, 2013, 01:50:07 pm »

I've been in a similar place, but I know where I'm going. Right now, I'm just trying to put in my three years. I enjoy the place I work for, I love the people, but I can't do this forever. I've set goals for myself, and I'll be doing this as long as it gets me closer to them:

1. Pay off my debt (At least I'm finally touch the principle now >_<)
2. Do a job that makes the world better in some way. Right now I work in software that helps advertising stuff, which is the exact opposite of that, and I'd like a job that I find at least morally neutral if not morally good.
3. A job where my particular skills (which work acceptably for a programmer but really aren't quite the right skillset) are put to better use. I feel like I could be doing far more than what I'm doing.
4. Get the fuck out of New England god I hate this place.

So right now I'm putting in my three years and working on number 1, paying off my student debt. It exerts a lot of terrible pressures making the other three more difficulty. I'm also planning a move to Seattle in the not-so-distant future, and hopefully a transition to a higher paying job (hopefully, it's always a risk) OR a job teaching, which will help towards every goal but #1, heh. We'll see.

Meanwhile, I'm getting as much of 2 and 3 outside of work as I can, working on my own things.

But here's the thing - I don't settle. My current job is alright, but there's no way I'm going to settle for alright for any length of time. Alright is alright as a step, but I'm going to shoot for the moon if it kills me. I'd much rather try and fail and try again, inching my way towards some ultimate goal and even backsliding but keeping my eyes on the prize, than settle.
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« Reply #11 on: August 20, 2013, 03:18:49 pm »

The bulk of programming work is boring. Particularly if you get in on an established company with a lot of corporate inertia.

Exciting and fulfilling jobs are rare (im looking at video game development and some nifty scientific computing projects), and they often pay less and have more risk.

So just make sure you get payed enough and get enough free time to do exciting and fulfilling things with your time when you are not at work.
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« Reply #12 on: August 21, 2013, 12:14:17 am »

video game development

I really, really recommend reading about the video game industry and how it treats its employees before aiming in that direction. It's a saturated market filled with mostly 20-somethings working under the threat of a looming deadline. Definitely not the worst job in the world, but it's not the fun experience a lot of people assume it is. Very few stick with the game industry through their entire career.

There are exceptions, as always, but the game industry as a whole isn't something I'd recommend to just anyone. Do your homework before heading in that direction.

The plus side is that it is full of a broad range of creative programming opportunities, as well as being one of the few avenues for a programmer to become well-known or broadly appreciated. It's a rough industry, but if you're built for it and are willing to put in the effort you'll thrive.
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« Reply #13 on: August 21, 2013, 03:09:14 am »

The ambience at my workplace is horrid. It's my dream job but I chose poorly the place where to do it.
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« Reply #14 on: August 21, 2013, 08:36:38 am »

i said interesing... not good. i am well aware that video game industry treats developers like crap and burns them out with long hours. however, video games are something i code in my spare time, iinventory management and accounting systems are not.

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