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[Tsuchigumo550]

How about a split of "clean and safe" spellcasting and "quick and dirty" spellcasting?

One is slower, but backfires won't harm you unless you SERIOUSLY fuck up. One takes only a single turn, but is much riskier.

Plus, I don't think balance should be mandatory, as part of the fun is going into the game blind, then suddenly finding a power word and flipping out with it, until someone tops you. It quickly becomes not words, but then combinations, then creative ideas, then pure rolls.

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Oh, yeah. You could expedite the Pot process by having some way of autosuccess- a powerful wizard needn't fumble a spell with ones. Adamantine Sword may be 4+1, but say you've got a high enough number or whatever, and the 1 dosen't count.

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((Do I have 1 or 2 pool? No one needed a reaction so I assume 2, but... still.))

Continue evasion. Should I be unable to outrun GWG, be ready to roll to one side and react.

[piecewise]

So you'd opt for it being either a single effect or at least a greatly reduced effect?

The idea here is to be able to transform specific parts. Turn your hand into a blade (Or a golden lion head that shoots lasers) or something similar, not so much to sit there and turn your entire body into a single element.

I could look into reducing the amount of time required for it.

But also, here's the thing: you want to turn your entire body into Iron: Ok, summon up some iron nails on one turn, engrave iron into all of them on the next, then spend a few turns nailing them in. At 1 potency score and 1 pool, you can get probably 3 or 4 a turn (I'm assuming you're doing this out of combat).  Imbuing yourself is the only thing that has the potential for real damage if you fail. With transforming yourself there's no real danger. If you fail the setting process you just try again. Assuming of course you aren't stupid enough to turn your chest into non-solid booze.


Or did you guys not catch the fact that potency will be based on weighted levels for each word and use a dice pool now? It means potency is more of a level of what words you can use then a random overshoot/suicide stat.

[Toaster]

Bah!


Steel OrbitingOrbs!



Can we get an example with numbers for this imbuing?  Let's use the example of turning the entire right arm into iron except a fire hand.

[Dermonster]

Yes let me just hammer in these nails into my bleeding chest with my hands it doesn't hurt at all.

We'll have to test it and see. I'm bad at theory. Good with practice.

[piecewise]

Bah!


Steel OrbitingOrbs!



Can we get an example with numbers for this imbuing?  Let's use the example of turning the entire right arm into iron except a fire hand.

Imbuing and Transforming are two different things. You can't imbue a single part, it is a permanent effect to your entire body that allows you to transform freely between elemental form and normal as well as to control whatever element you were imbued with. Failing the Endurance roll during the process kills you.

Transforming is what you're talking about. As per that example: Lets assume iron and fire are 1 potency score and that you have 5 pool.

Turn 1: summon 2 iron nails
Turn 2: Engrave them with the word for iron and then Nail them into you.
Turn 3: assuming you passed all the rolls for those first three (which should be easy) You now have a metal arm. You can summon a solid fire nail this turn.
Turn 4: Engrave "Solid fire" on nail and jam it into your hand.

Assuming you succeeded on the rolls, there you go.





An alternative I thought of was this: This process effects everything "Below" wherever it's nailed in. Ie, put it in  your shoulder and it effects the whole arm. Put it in your hand, just the hand. Put it in your face, whole body, etc.

Yes let me just hammer in these nails into my bleeding chest with my hands it doesn't hurt at all.

We'll have to test it and see. I'm bad at theory. Good with practice.

No one said it wouldn't hurt. Although, you don't have to use a nail. Scratch it on a needle or something small. And don't put it through your nipple.

[Toaster]

I think the "target and below" makes more sense, since there probably aren't that many people who want a flesh hand to go with their diamond forearm.  You'd need to define targets, though, since if you nail it into your chest, what is below that?  Arms?  Legs?

[Empiricist]

Well it's certainly an interesting system, I'll form an opinion once I see some tests of it. Though it does now leave me with the mental image of roman soldiers fleeing in terror when their attempts at crucifying Jesus turns him into some sort of steel messiah.

[piecewise]

I think the "target and below" makes more sense, since there probably aren't that many people who want a flesh hand to go with their diamond forearm.  You'd need to define targets, though, since if you nail it into your chest, what is below that?  Arms?  Legs?

Yeah, thats fairly easy to do.




Does that sound more reasonable to you people? Because the idea was really to limit the number of people turning into steel, since transformations often became broken. And this way actually lets you turn yourself into shit. Like, turn yourself into a a Icelandic death metal bear.

Which is actually a lot more possible now with those sound and rock and roll words....

[Dermonster]

But I don't want to turn into shit.

I want to turn into pure metaphysical death and conquest.

[GreatWyrmGold]

Transformations on non-caster things can NOT be undone.

To clarify: If you transformed a rock into gold, could you then transform the goulder into rock?

Also, what are the restrictions on stuff? If you had a solid air sword with "Air" written on it, and you cut someone with it, could you transform them into air? How about arrows, or something?

Is is possible to have words engraved on an object with words? How about turning living stuff into (say) inanimate stone?

the torso (The upper part of the body, basically from the shoulders to the end of the rib cage)

Why not call that part the chest? Maybe the thorax, if you want to get sciency?

First, this differs somewhat from normal enchanting because it puts a great deal of strain on the caster. The magic does not want to be contained and controlled by them; it actively fights them. During the setting process, the caster who is having the magic imbued into them has to make an endurance check, with a difficulty equal to the Potency score of the magic being embuned into him. If he fails, the magic overtakes him and transforms his body into whatever the spell was that was being put into him, except greatly magnified. IE, if a caster failed while having the word "Fire" set into him, he would be consumed in an enormous burst of flame. (anyone caught in the effects of such a thing can use it as their reaction for that turn.)

Can you intentionally do something like that, and set it off later as a suicide-bomb thing?

How many of these rules apply to non-player creature transformations, like NPCs (Muggles< since you mentioned that they applied to basically all mages) or summoned critters?

And with the inclusion of rolls into the mix, like derm said, being made out of steel isn't good when in any point in the process, it could explode or turn you into a metal sculpture from an unlucky one or six, it would work in a faster medium, but even then you've still got the fact any screw ups of the cards could have you starting over again.

Then, maybe defying nature by being made of metal is not such a good strategy?

But I don't want to turn into shit.

I want to turn into pure metaphysical death and conquest.

Easy. Engrave a nail with "Death Conquest" and hammer it in.

[piecewise]

Transformations on non-caster things can NOT be undone.

To clarify: If you transformed a rock into gold, could you then transform the goulder into rock?

Also, what are the restrictions on stuff? If you had a solid air sword with "Air" written on it, and you cut someone with it, could you transform them into air? How about arrows, or something?

Is is possible to have words engraved on an object with words? How about turning living stuff into (say) inanimate stone?

the torso (The upper part of the body, basically from the shoulders to the end of the rib cage)

Why not call that part the chest? Maybe the thorax, if you want to get sciency?

First, this differs somewhat from normal enchanting because it puts a great deal of strain on the caster. The magic does not want to be contained and controlled by them; it actively fights them. During the setting process, the caster who is having the magic imbued into them has to make an endurance check, with a difficulty equal to the Potency score of the magic being embuned into him. If he fails, the magic overtakes him and transforms his body into whatever the spell was that was being put into him, except greatly magnified. IE, if a caster failed while having the word "Fire" set into him, he would be consumed in an enormous burst of flame. (anyone caught in the effects of such a thing can use it as their reaction for that turn.)

Can you intentionally do something like that, and set it off later as a suicide-bomb thing?

How many of these rules apply to non-player creature transformations, like NPCs (Muggles< since you mentioned that they applied to basically all mages) or summoned critters?

And with the inclusion of rolls into the mix, like derm said, being made out of steel isn't good when in any point in the process, it could explode or turn you into a metal sculpture from an unlucky one or six, it would work in a faster medium, but even then you've still got the fact any screw ups of the cards could have you starting over again.

Then, maybe defying nature by being made of metal is not such a good strategy?

But I don't want to turn into shit.

I want to turn into pure metaphysical death and conquest.

Easy. Engrave a nail with "Death Conquest" and hammer it in.

It would be entirely possible to take your solid air sword, stab it into someone and then attempt to "set" the air word as a method of killing or injuring them. Though there should probably be a will contest in there to prevent that being too op. Same with arrows or anything else really.

Yeah, you could turn a rock to gold and then back to rock by inlaying "rock" with a rock. It just doesn't turn back if you remove the inlay.


Not sure what you're asking with the first part there, but turning living things into stone is fine. Though I may have to add an "inanimate" modifier for that.

Because I was writing for the sake of remembering and planning. And because people in the earlier game thought chest was just the chest, not the back too.

I suppose you could suicide bomb like that, sure. Just have to refuse to roll.

It only applies to Players and NPC casters. As I said in the normal enchanting section, engraving words into anything except a caster all works the same way. So you can turn your wolf into a hell hound, it just can't control the fire you enchant it with.





Again, these are all just ideas. I want to make the system more balanced and interesting, rather then just shouting semi-comprehensible word salad at each other.  Why? Because having a nice, balanced, more in depth system doesn't preclude me from adding a section about "Classic perplexicon" with the old rules and shit for those who just want to hurl magnetic poetry at each other.  I'm building a more complex system but that doesn't mean that the old ways are impossible to use any more.

[GreatWyrmGold]

Not sure what you're asking with the first part there

I was asking if you could use words (like, spoken ones) to make objects tat have pre-written words engraved in them. Like, "Air Arrow Engraved Air" would let me mass-produce vaporizing arrows.

Again, these are all just ideas. I want to make the system more balanced and interesting, rather then just shouting semi-comprehensible word salad at each other.  Why? Because having a nice, balanced, more in depth system doesn't preclude me from adding a section about "Classic perplexicon" with the old rules and shit for those who just want to hurl magnetic poetry at each other.  I'm building a more complex system but that doesn't mean that the old ways are impossible to use any more.

Agreed. I kinda like the new Perplexicon. Think of it like DF; we're all nostalgic about Boatmurdered, but how often do you play the old 2D versions?

[piecewise]

Not sure what you're asking with the first part there

I was asking if you could use words (like, spoken ones) to make objects tat have pre-written words engraved in them. Like, "Air Arrow Engraved Air" would let me mass-produce vaporizing arrows.

Again, these are all just ideas. I want to make the system more balanced and interesting, rather then just shouting semi-comprehensible word salad at each other.  Why? Because having a nice, balanced, more in depth system doesn't preclude me from adding a section about "Classic perplexicon" with the old rules and shit for those who just want to hurl magnetic poetry at each other.  I'm building a more complex system but that doesn't mean that the old ways are impossible to use any more.

Agreed. I kinda like the new Perplexicon. Think of it like DF; we're all nostalgic about Boatmurdered, but how often do you play the old 2D versions?

Probably not. I Can't think of a way to break that off the top of my head, but it seems like the sort of thing that could cause weird infinite regression problems somehow.

[GreatWyrmGold]

Well, here's how I imagine it working.

The "Engraved" or whatever word breaks the spell into two halves. The first half is the item, the second half is the engraved phrase. (Or, to mix it up, the other way around.) Extra uses of "Engraved" would break it up into multiple phrases--e.g, "Steel Bone Sword Engraved Bone Engraved Fire" would be a steel-and-bone sword with "Bone" and "Fire" separately engraved, presumably to be a flaming/hot sword that can turn people into bone for some reason.

[Tsuchigumo550]

Maybe have it so that transforming into words with a higher needed pot number is much more difficult? A 1 would be easy and only require the first success, where one worth 4 requires constant difficult Will (or maybe Pot?) rolls to not dissipate (return to normal). Full body adds 1 to the number.