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[Lectorog]

To be clear, this thread is for debating whose definitions of words are better, stemming from "roguelike", correct?

Unsure if joke flew over head

(>.>)

or being ironic.

People get upset when definitions of words they don't agree with are forced on them, but there's really nothing an individual can do about it. The only way around individual interpretation is to establish a single agreed-upon definition, which (according to Orwell) is a sure path to limiting free speech. You can try to not be an asshole by not presenting controversial definitions as definitive, but it's quite hard to pander to everyone and still make a point.

(Didn't read the whole thread.)

Oh, welcome! Your opinion is valid and appreciated because no-one has said anything like it so far and it ties into the current thread of conversation perfectly because you considered all opinions that have been presented.

[somatic]

Penny Arcade Report's Ben Kuchera.

the OP specifically named the writer of the article like RPS commenters or Huff Post commenters or really any article commenters.

I'm onto you, somatic.

I named the writer because I'm a fan of Penny Arcade and wanted to point out that it wasn't Tycho or Gabe (the authors of the comics) who is writing this stuff. That's all. I like the comics, and the Penny Arcade Expo is a big deal; my uncle goes to it, has for years.

[werty892]

People are whining for no reason. Great. It has elements of Rouge. Therefore, by definition, it is like Rouge. Therefore, it is a Rougelike. Done. Stop bitching about something that does not matter.

[Lectorog]

People are whining for no reason. Great. It has elements of Rouge. Therefore, by definition, it is like Rouge. Therefore, it is a Rougelike. Done. Stop bitching about something that does not matter.

Lawl@
1) rouge
2) Just as you don't let a knife get dull, lest it become useless, you don't let words become useless by being too broad - you tune them up periodically.
Read some Orwell. He made a lot of points about language.

[alexandertnt]

I think some people take the "is/isnt roguelike" thing far too seriously. Discussions moving towards Orwell suggest that to me, at least.

[kingfisher1112]

Who cares?

[Bitoru]

Rouge. Rouge. Rougelike.

Oh my god why did I even open this thread.

[GlyphGryph]

And can you believe some people call DWARF FORTRESS a roguelike? Hilarious, right? Spelunky definitely feels a lot more like rogue than adventure mode does.

Just assume whenever anyone says "Roguelike" in reference to a platform they are actually saying it's a platformer like Rogue Legacy in some way. Problem solved?

[Urist McScoopbeard]

People are whining for no reason. Great. It has elements of Rouge. Therefore, by definition, it is like Rouge. Therefore, it is a Rougelike. Done. Stop bitching about something that does not matter.

Well. Done. Sir.



and anyways, who likes penny arcade people anyhow? The only reason we even heed them is because their masters have some daemonic abilities to write and illustrate comics. (Which is to say we all love Tycho and Gabe)

Finally, who DOES really care? Let them label the game as they see fit, this is DFC... DEE EFF CEE we are the community of the craziest, most eldritch-horror-like roguelike out there, let those plebian elitist scum think what they will, for we will know the truth.

[miauw62]

Oh, it's this thread again. The thread wherein we all act like elitist dicks and say that any game that has better graphics than ASCII is an unworthy maintstream shitgame that uses "roguelike" to get more players.

I disagree with werty tough, I don't think Spelunky has many elements of Red in it

Spelunky seems roguelike enough to me. The only way describing it as a roguelike would be bad is if it was done as an introduction to the genre, some sort of "this is what you can expect with other roguelikes", which isn't the case.

You descend into a cavern for fuck-knows-what's reason, the levels are randomly generated and there's permadeath. You need tactics to get deeper into the dungeon/cavern/whatever. I think X's miniseries on Spelunky illustrates this, becuase they first die on the first level and eventually get deeper and deeper by learning what will get you killed and what won't.

E: Also, the Insomnia guy should get some sleep so his "reviews" are a bit less random swearing strung togheter by the name of the game and overgeneralizations.

[Frumple]

Is Spelunky on roguebasin? Yes. Good enough for me. Is roguelike enough, moving on.

I think some people take the "is/isnt roguelike" thing far too seriously. Discussions moving towards Orwell suggest that to me, at least.

Yeah, pretty much. Generally on the side of "isn't a roguelike", though, which generates silly stuff like "not like Rogue = not roguelike". I'll admit I've never really figured out why there's such insistence on exclusion, though. Bringing more awesome games into the roguelike umbrella is pretty nice. I like seeing a little genre expansion, here and there.

[freeformschooler]

Yeah, pretty much. Generally on the side of "isn't a roguelike", though, which generates silly stuff like "not like Rogue = not roguelike". I'll admit I've never really figured out why there's such insistence on exclusion, though. Bringing more awesome games into the roguelike umbrella is pretty nice. I like seeing a little genre expansion, here and there.

I think it's basically this:

The game, Spelunky, is a pretty straightforward platformer, which isn't an insult; there are some really awesome platform games out there nowadays. The problem is labeling it a roguelike, because it just isn't. It is in no way, shape, or form a roguelike. The argument seems to be that since it has random maps, it's a roguelike-- which, ok, I have hairy legs, so I must be a badger?

You could say that Super Hexagon is a roguelike by that definition (permadeath and randomly generated levels). Which of all things is wrong and unjustifiable.

"Those filthy casuals and their filthy casual games, each of which suffer from the same problems plaguing MODERN GAMING - too easy, too flashy, too simple - are now attempting to encroach on, nay, invade our final, beautiful bastion of turn-based, difficult, complicated, adult Roguelikes. No, do not misunderstand me, lads! There are some excellent examples of each of these genres; just the other day, I sat at my tippy-tappy touch-and-writey with the new 'Roguish Legacies.' A good platformer on its own merit, but a roguelike? It is beneath the label. Truly, we of superior intelligence should not willingly spend our pounds on this filth until such time as modern game engineers are willing to cater to us higher breeds with superior games as they were in times past. Verily, the golden age of complicated, immersive, difficult video games is over."

[freeformschooler]

I'm just having fun with people getting worked up over something silly. That's what you're supposed to do in a thread like this, right?

[Darkmere]

I'm just having fun with people getting worked up over something silly. That's what you're supposed to do in a thread like this, right?

Aye, that's the spirit!

[FritzPL]

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and it's hard to write on a toad's stomach so plz.