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[Akura]

So, what happens if one of the held creatures is moved more than 30ft from the rest by a mage?

Given that the spell rolls a save against it separately, probably nothing. Roy almost certainly fell more than 30ft there.

Hey now, that spell shouldn't affect Belkar since his redemption arc!

You are probably joking, but at the same time there's a lot of confusion on the GitP forum as well, but Hold Monster is a direct upgrade to Hold Person; Hold Person can only affect humanoid creatures(humans, goblins, etc) while Hold Monster affects any living creature.

[pikachu17]

Hey now, that spell shouldn't affect Belkar since his redemption arc!

Are you suggesting Roy and Elan are monsters?

[TD1]

Well, Roy DID become a woman for a bit, so....


I refer, of course, to Cohen's Seven Theses concerning monstrosity, which define a monster as an occupier of liminal space, a category defier, an inhabitant of the conceptual borderlands.

[Cyroth]

Hey now, that spell shouldn't affect Belkar since his redemption arc!

Are you suggesting Roy and Elan are monsters?

We're all in the monster manual somewhere, are we not?

[pikachu17]

Hey now, that spell shouldn't affect Belkar since his redemption arc!

Are you suggesting Roy and Elan are monsters?

We're all in the monster manual somewhere, are we not?

Are humans in the monster manual? In a case which Roy would count as?

[Sensei]

Hold Monster should have just been called Hold Creature and we wouldn't have to have this conversation every time a new person hears about it. You had your damn opportunity to fix it in 5e, Wizards!

[Egan_BW]

Monster and Creature are synonyms because DnD.

[Sergius]

Hey now, that spell shouldn't affect Belkar since his redemption arc!

Are you suggesting Roy and Elan are monsters?

We're all in the monster manual somewhere, are we not?

Are humans in the monster manual? In a case which Roy would count as?

I believe in 3.x edition they were specifically left out of the MM for reasons (but elf/dwarf/etc warriors are). They are in 5e tho: you got your commoners, you got your bandits, you got your cultists... (which is why all the published adventures makes you fight them in that order of ascending CR and why everything ends up being a cult).

[smjjames]

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INCOMING CAVALRY!

edit: Hey, is that the no-talent bard from Durkons flashback?

[Imic]

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INCOMING CAVALRY!

edit: Hey, is that the no-talent bard from Durkons flashback?

Durkon’s mother is a legend.

[Mathel]

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And here comes the infantry.

Brought by Sigdi Thundershield.

[Akura]

"And my axe! And hers! And theirs! And the marching band!"

I'm recognizing many of them that appear in this flashback. For example, the spellcaster in their group is the little girl asking for a blessing on her doll.


...If one were to apply Redcloak's logic to a spell granting access to the Elemental Plane of Carbon, would that provide enough diamonds in case this whole battle goes south? Just in case.

Also, some on the GitP forum have questioned Tinna's presence here. One post I saw said she likely prepared some spells... except she's not a cleric at all. She's a astronomer who joined the temple of Thor because that's the only dwarven faction who would pay someone to stare at the sky all day.

[Egan_BW]

...If one were to apply Redcloak's logic to a spell granting access to the Elemental Plane of Carbon, would that provide enough diamonds in case this whole battle goes south? Just in case.

Depending on the GM's mood, you might get some diamonds. There's also a chance that you get a big chunk of graphite.

[Madman198237]

...If one were to apply Redcloak's logic to a spell granting access to the Elemental Plane of Carbon, would that provide enough diamonds in case this whole battle goes south? Just in case.

Depending on the GM's mood, you might get some diamonds. There's also a chance that you get a big chunk of graphite.

This is also a good thing, since if the pen is mightier than the sword than the pencil is at least a good match for swords, right?

[smjjames]

"And my axe! And hers! And theirs! And the marching band!"

I'm recognizing many of them that appear in this flashback. For example, the spellcaster in their group is the little girl asking for a blessing on her doll.


...If one were to apply Redcloak's logic to a spell granting access to the Elemental Plane of Carbon, would that provide enough diamonds in case this whole battle goes south? Just in case.

Also, some on the GitP forum have questioned Tinna's presence here. One post I saw said she likely prepared some spells... except she's not a cleric at all. She's a astronomer who joined the temple of Thor because that's the only dwarven faction who would pay someone to stare at the sky all day.

She could have some spells or resources to provide which might not normally be used in combat, but the group will take any advantage they can get.

Re Redcloak using the carbon elementals to create diamonds: I saw a discussion on that and I think someone said that Redcloak said at some point in one of the side stories that he can't just order them to rearrange their molecular structure, or something like that. Either that or the elementals started complaining.