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[TD1]

It's more likely that we're simply being much too pedantic about word choice, and he meant what it looks like he meant. That he would be dead when he arrived.

[smjjames]

And undead possibly counts for the prophecy.

[pikachu17]

Undead are almost all posthumous.

[Mathel]

Almost all?
What undead is not posthumous?

[smjjames]

Liches maybe?

[birdy51]

Well. I like this newest update. It's been long ass time coming!

[pikachu17]

Almost all?
What undead is not posthumous?

There are a few undead creatures that just start out that way, not having been alive in the first place. I believe Devourers were that way in 3.5, but I'm not absolutely sure.

[Criptfeind]

Undead are partially defined, in 3.5 at least, as being once living creatures. Which would make them all posthumous. However, the existence of creatures (like the devourer) without a clear origin does cast that in at least some doubt. Is the devourer a "natural" creature, given form and life by the planes it stalks and only it's close relationship to death and pain that causes it to qualify it as undead? Or is it just a rare outcome for the death of some astral being, or potentially material being that accidentally found it's end outside of reality? You decide!

[Rolan7]

I'm just jumping on a chance to nerdily call out these things.  They're technically on the SRD, though without explanation.  For that you need Libris Mortis (or that first link).

Whether or not they count as an undead that never died (are all gods even alive?) I just think they're kinda cool okay

[pikachu17]

From the way they are described in the first link having since become undead, I think they were first alive.

[Criptfeind]

In 3.5 at least Atropals (who are in the epic level handbook.. Which is 3.0, not 3.5, whoops.) are stillborn godlings (apparently a wizard did it is good enough for dragonxanything but doesn't always go the distance in godxthing) who arise spontaneously into undeath.  So, still posthumous? Probably?

Atropal scions (who are in the libris mortis) are apparently what happens when one is defeated and the bits of it attract the attention of an evil or uncaring god of death. So like, postposthumous!

I think they are both pretty disgusting. The first one's basically a still born baby and the second is an aborted fetus as imagined by an anti abortionist.

[TD1]

http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Atropus
Then there's the Atropal's possible daddy, who was possibly created Undead.

[Rolan7]

> Ao creates the gods
> Our current campaign touches on Io, creator of all dragons
Coincidence?
Also I need to stop treating this like the D&D thread.

[smjjames]

New comic up, this one titled 'answering the callback', heh. http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1106.html

[Akura]

I would argue that none of you possibly have enough evidence to jump to this conclusion, but experience has taught me that only guarantees it to be the case.

Ain't it the truth?