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[MetalSlimeHunt]

I've never seen any way of fucking with a bag of holding that didn't end up backfiring on the person doing it.

[Culise]

I've never seen any way of fucking with a bag of holding that didn't end up backfiring on the person doing it.

Well, it's beyond the scope of our force cage, but there's always the idea of the "Davy Crockett" arrow rigged with a bag of holding and a portable hole.  As long as you can shoot it more than ten feet away and reach a level where you can afford to blow 22.5k gp on a single shot, at least...

[MetalSlimeHunt]

I like how your response was the most backfire-prone application of a bag of holding possible without consciously using it as a suicide weapon.

[Culise]

I like how your response was the most backfire-prone application of a bag of holding possible without consciously using it as a suicide weapon.

[Mathel]

Or Haley could ready an action and once V dispells the cage, bag him. Then he could not be attacked.

[TD1]

Or breathe.

[smjjames]

Wouldn't the players write down their inventory somewhere? Someone's gotta keep track of who has what stuff. That's what I was getting at with inventory check, not empty the dang bag of holding. Though obviously they'd need an in-character way of 'checking inventory'.

Thoughtwhiletyping: is there some sort of spell that allows telepathic communication (or some other covert method of communicating) since the GM has pulled the 'the monsters can hear everything you're saying' card on the players. V is probably the wrong class for the telepathic stuff and Haley certainly has her methods of covert communication.

[Akura]

Not sure how Mind Blank effects telepathic communication. One of those "poorly worded, oh god we're letting the GM rules-lawyer it?!" things.


How about Hide from Undead? Minrah can conceivably cast it. Granted, it might not be perfect since they're surrounded, and it ends for everyone if anyone touches an undead.

[Lord Shonus]

Mind Blank blocks all mind-affecting effects and all forms of Divination.

[smjjames]

Not sure how Mind Blank effects telepathic communication. One of those "poorly worded, oh god we're letting the GM rules-lawyer it?!" things.


How about Hide from Undead? Minrah can conceivably cast it. Granted, it might not be perfect since they're surrounded, and it ends for everyone if anyone touches an undead.

Seems more useful as an escape method rather than in a fight, though it could conceivably be used to set up an ambush..... Or perhaps to keep the vampires from being able to listen to them plan things out.

[Akura]

I just realized something that I could have rule-lawyered earlier. The vampires are incapable of attacking anyone but Vaarsuvius. Because they were specifically ordered to kill V first. They, or at least Sandstone, have the freedom to plan and take actions to that goal, including defensive buffs and picking targets after their primary one, but their specific target is Vaarsuvius. Even when Sandstone tried to dominate Minrah, it was in an attempt to get her to attack V.

Maybe they can repeat that trick with the Silicon Elemental - neither Durkon or the vampire controlling him witnessed that tactic.

[Lord Shonus]

That would not work. Even if they are still thralls, they are far more free-willed than a summoned elemental is - from in-comic evidence alone, note that Durkula was moving and acting without orders while still Malak's thrall, and he was fully capable of deciding that summoning an ally was a good idea even if he sought permission first. Durkula would have had to phrase his orders in a narrow and very convoluted way for "wizard keep away" to be a workable tactic.


If we ignore this, or find a way to reconcile the observed behavior and assume that "enslaved vampires" operated as per Dominate Person, this problem would still be easily avoided. Durkula would be aware that the vampires are in combat, and be able to dip into a thrall's mind to observe the action once every round. He could also change the orders by remote control.

[smjjames]

Doesn't mean that the wizard wouldn't be a tactical priority since you'd want to take out (or at least disable) the biggest and most dangerous damage dealer as quickly as possible. The two biggest damage dealers here are V and Roy, one is a tank and one isn't, seems obvious which one you'd want to take out first regardless of whether the vampires can change tactics on the fly.

Durkula told them to take out V first because he knew V is dangerous enough (and probably wouldn't have had to take a memory dive to recognize that) to warrant targeting first at all costs.

[GiglameshDespair]

Even at maximum rules-lawyering, they could also incapacitate and the damage the other characters, as long as they're trying to ensure the wizard is the first to die.

As pointed out, even vampire spawn are far more intelligent than an elemental.

[thvaz]

Today's comic made me wonder if it had a reference to dwarf fortress.

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I don't think so, she wasn't using the baby as a shield