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[Remuthra]

Oh yeah, and this means that Rich's whole thing about Vampire Durkon being a "non-theistic cleric that channels negative energy" sounded like bullshit because it really was!

Even though it actually says that in the 3.5e cleric part of the handbook.

[scrdest]

Oh yeah, and this means that Rich's whole thing about Vampire Durkon being a "non-theistic cleric that channels negative energy" sounded like bullshit because it really was!

Even though it actually says that in the 3.5e cleric part of the handbook.

That sounds suspiciously like Rich pulling an asspull.

[IronyOwl]

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Gotta say, not fond of this... interpretation of vampirism/undeath. Replacement/possession tends to feel like a copout to me when you're transforming someone, and this is no different. I much prefer just warping the original person, and dealing with their new outlook as it relates to who they used to be. Like... pretty much what it looked like they were doing prior to this.

Plus... I know nobody here has any ranks in Knowledge: Religion (or apparently not enough, in Durkon's case), but it seems strange to me that this wouldn't be semi-common or at least rumored knowledge. Everyone knows vampires convert people into vampires, right? I guess the memory thing would make it harder to tell, but so would the power boost and daylight-aversion for spawning. Any mocking monologues or resurrections would get the secret out, so it's not like nobody knows, just not mid/high level adventurers, clerics included, apparently.


The only upside would be that this allows for far more dramatic conflicts than might be possible with Real Vampire Durkon, but I'm kind of skeptical about that too. You don't tend to get particularly impressive results by using copout methods to pile on the ham, after all.

Anyway, back to Dorfkan - knowing... I actually don't know his name, but knowing ootswriterguy there's bound to be a twist or two about Evildurkon's new Evilagenda coming. I don't doubt for a minute that he's only using the group for his own ends by now, unless he turns out to be the rare honour-above-all kind of LE. But even then he still has to bring great disaster and death to his clan and all that.

This is what you should always listen to everything I say.

I'm curious about this.

[scriver]

What do you mean?

[Remuthra]

Oh yeah, and this means that Rich's whole thing about Vampire Durkon being a "non-theistic cleric that channels negative energy" sounded like bullshit because it really was!

Even though it actually says that in the 3.5e cleric part of the handbook.

That sounds suspiciously like Rich pulling an asspull.

Nope, it's totally a thing. Look it up.

[scrdest]

Oh yeah, and this means that Rich's whole thing about Vampire Durkon being a "non-theistic cleric that channels negative energy" sounded like bullshit because it really was!

Even though it actually says that in the 3.5e cleric part of the handbook.

That sounds suspiciously like Rich pulling an asspull.

Nope, it's totally a thing. Look it up.

No, I mean, the asspull being that Draculkon is a different person from Durkon.

[IronyOwl]

What do you mean?

As in, what makes you say that.

[scriver]

Ah. Well, it's the Oracle's answer to his question, and I believe the reason he was exiled in the first place.

[Akura]

Oh yeah, and this means that Rich's whole thing about Vampire Durkon being a "non-theistic cleric that channels negative energy" sounded like bullshit because it really was!

Even though it actually says that in the 3.5e cleric part of the handbook.

That sounds suspiciously like Rich pulling an asspull.

Nope, it's totally a thing. Look it up.

No, I mean, the asspull being that Draculkon is a different person from Durkon.

Possible side-effect the spell that rapidly raised Durkon as a vampire?

On the other hand, if I recall, Malack also turned down Durkon's offer of Resurrection because he said doing so would change him in to someone entirely different, so maybe not.

[Bauglir]

As I'm pretty sure the rules are entirely silent on this subject, at least in Core, I don't think it's really an asspull, any more than having non-canon deities. Especially since the only one with significant ranks in the relevant Knowledge skill is the victim. It is odd that he started and kept up the charade around the Linear Guild, but oh well.

EDIT: Mind you, I don't buy Malack's refusal of resurrection as adequate foreshadowing to have called this. I think that line is actually a lot less interesting in retrospect now that we know it's literal, but at the time it seemed more reasonable to conclude that his experiences as a vampire had made him the person Durkon knew.

[scriver]

I don't think Durcula is another person as much as he is an evil, "soulless" Durkon.

[scrdest]

I don't think Durcula is another person as much as he is an evil, "soulless" Durkon.

The comic directly states that the real Durkon is trapped within and is fighting against Durcula.

[ChairmanPoo]

Just a thought, but maybe it applies ONLY to unDurkon, and other undeads remain their original selves. Most notably Xykon who crafted a phtlactrlly for this purpose

[scriver]

I don't think Durcula is another person as much as he is an evil, "soulless" Durkon.

The comic directly states that the real Durkon is trapped within and is fighting against Durcula.

I interpret it as being Durkon's soul being stuck in his body because Undeadism. The negative energy entity Durcula is not "real" Durkon, but it's also not another person.

[Akura]

Again, it might be a side effect of the spell that brought Durkon back as a vampire, or possibly from the fact that his thralldom wasn't properly released due to Malack's destruction.