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Re: Order of the Stick
« Reply #4605 on: October 10, 2023, 09:20:45 am »

Undeath is a state of being despite being a lack of death, so I think so.  A gap can be a thing, especially a prominent gap.

I dunno if skeletons have knees though.  It feels natural to say they have arms, but there are actual bones there.  Would we say a skull has eyes?  A skull without otherworldly lights in the sockets, I mean...

A skeleton might be said to have a nose, because there's a strongly defined gap in the right place.  But does it have a butt?  I'm leaning towards no butt or knees.
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« Reply #4606 on: October 10, 2023, 10:57:54 am »

It doesn't have a butt. it has pelvis though.

The thing about knees is that they are joints. While a skeleton doesn't have the muscles and tendons that power it, it has dark magic instead of those.
And the important thing about joints is that they allow the body to bend. If you used necromantic magic to fuse a skeleton's leg bones (femur, patella, tibia and fibula) together, it would have quite a bit of trouble walking
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« Reply #4607 on: October 10, 2023, 03:18:15 pm »

Yeah, I suppose we must surmise that there is an invisible magical *thing* located at the animate skeleton / lich's joints which acts as incorporeal connective tissue and motor. If there were no *thing* there, then the skeleton would not function. And since the *thing* is located around where a human's knee would be and fulfils the same purpose, why not call it a knee?
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« Reply #4608 on: October 10, 2023, 04:21:04 pm »

But are such things as skeletons and liches animated by multiple individual points of operational magic, or by a singular larger field infusing and suspending all associated bits? If the former then certainly; a given locus of connective necromancy may very well be considered a "knee". If the latter, then that space between bones is maintained by simply a certain area of the diffuse whole. Does an inanimate skeleton suspended in a gelatinous cube have a knee?

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« Reply #4609 on: October 10, 2023, 07:30:54 pm »

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« Reply #4610 on: October 11, 2023, 03:34:21 am »

It's sort of a... well, it's kind of like... You know what, don't worry about it.

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« Reply #4611 on: October 11, 2023, 08:05:38 am »

I guess our argument comes from different definitions of knee.

The definition I am using is "The joint between the upper leg and the lower leg."
Which means that I count any fully assembled skeleton of a legged creature as having knees. In fact, if you just had the 4 bones that connect there and put them together, you'd assemble the knee.
It doesn't matter to me what powers the knees, or even if the knees happen to be powered.
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« Reply #4612 on: October 11, 2023, 09:40:13 am »

It seems obvious to me that, if you have a kneecap, you have a knee. Since kneecaps are made of bone, skeletons have knees.

You can have a knee without having a kneecap - lizards don't have them, it turns out - but surely it's sufficient.
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« Reply #4613 on: October 11, 2023, 09:53:57 am »

Okay, but a knee cap is only a cap on the amount of knees you might have. It's not a forgone conclusion that because you have a cap on knees, you have a knee -- you might still have zero knees
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« Reply #4614 on: October 11, 2023, 10:59:41 am »

This feels like it ought to be on a kneed to know basis.
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« Reply #4615 on: November 03, 2023, 05:55:59 pm »

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« Reply #4616 on: November 03, 2023, 08:04:22 pm »

Getting people to work together to solve a pending existential crisis. I wish we had that.
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« Reply #4617 on: November 22, 2023, 08:19:52 pm »

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« Reply #4618 on: November 22, 2023, 08:51:15 pm »

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« Reply #4619 on: November 22, 2023, 08:59:03 pm »

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