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[Mathel]

With a willing or incapacitated person, the best would be a geas.

Command: "Answer all my questions truthfuly and in the way I mean them."

[JoshuaFH]

I feel like the strongest argument that Durkon could have brought up is the fact that Redcloak has already won. The many injustices that goblins have suffered and probably will continue to suffer is, ultimately, water under the bridge. Nobody, let alone Durkon, could promise anything better for the goblins than what they've already secured themselves. The demand for equality as well, is pretty much secured, in the divine sense, in the form of the Dark One. Having their own god advocating for them among the pantheon of gods pretty is pretty much as equal as you're ever going to get, regardless of what the political situation among the mortal races is.

What neither party seems to have noticed though, is the fact that goblins were made as a persecuted race for a reason. In order for each god's clerics to have a viable source of experience in order to level up and better serve their god, they made Goblins and other creatures for the express purpose of being Exp fodder. Elevating the Goblin races out of this role just means the gods would have to create another race to serve the same role, but this time with goblins among the Persecuting races, essentially just repeating history. I don't think there's an pacifistic resolution to this problem, or it'd have been pursued already.

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What neither party seems to have noticed though, is the fact that goblins were made as a persecuted race for a reason. In order for each god's clerics to have a viable source of experience in order to level up and better serve their god, they made Goblins and other creatures for the express purpose of being Exp fodder. Elevating the Goblin races out of this role just means the gods would have to create another race to serve the same role, but this time with goblins among the Persecuting races, essentially just repeating history. I don't think there's an pacifistic resolution to this problem, or it'd have been pursued already.

I'm not sure Redcloak would care. As long as goblins weren't the XP fodder, I suspect he'd be fine with something else filling the role.

[lemon10]

What neither party seems to have noticed though, is the fact that goblins were made as a persecuted race for a reason. In order for each god's clerics to have a viable source of experience in order to level up and better serve their god, they made Goblins and other creatures for the express purpose of being Exp fodder. Elevating the Goblin races out of this role just means the gods would have to create another race to serve the same role, but this time with goblins among the Persecuting races, essentially just repeating history. I don't think there's an pacifistic resolution to this problem, or it'd have been pursued already.

The most obvious solution would be making the fodder races non-sentient monsters of some kind, which would obviously be far less problematic.


It might take some fine tuning to get it all proper and have monsters fill the same location at the frequencies as goblins and while still being about as difficult to kill, but I don't see any fundamental reason it can't be done.

I figure that the real reason they are using sentiments is because... why not?
Having greater variety of for your dudes to kill is good right? And if a few million sentiments die every generation so what? Is it better for them not to live at all? Plus, they get to go to a nifty afterlife after they die (presumably), so does the fact that their life might not be quite so good as that of people from other races really matter that much?

[Rolan7]

Or they could use the rules for noncombat XP which Book of Exalted Deeds made canonically for 3.5 but were already sorta a thing.

[scriver]

What neither party seems to have noticed though, is the fact that goblins were made as a persecuted race for a reason. In order for each god's clerics to have a viable source of experience in order to level up and better serve their god, they made Goblins and other creatures for the express purpose of being Exp fodder. Elevating the Goblin races out of this role just means the gods would have to create another race to serve the same role, but this time with goblins among the Persecuting races, essentially just repeating history. I don't think there's an pacifistic resolution to this problem, or it'd have been pursued already.

The most obvious solution would be making the fodder races non-sentient monsters of some kind, which would obviously be far less problematic.


It might take some fine tuning to get it all proper and have monsters fill the same location at the frequencies as goblins and while still being about as difficult to kill, but I don't see any fundamental reason it can't be done.

I figure that the real reason they are using sentiments is because... why not?
Having greater variety of for your dudes to kill is good right? And if a few million sentiments die every generation so what? Is it better for them not to live at all? Plus, they get to go to a nifty afterlife after they die (presumably), so does the fact that their life might not be quite so good as that of people from other races really matter that much?

Also higher level adventurers need more sofisticated villains. Can you imagine if Psykon was just a hungry rampaging bear?

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[Lord Shonus]

Oona's good, Greyview's great. Maxrah is a ton of fun and extremely good at calling Redcloak out.

Or they could use the rules for noncombat XP which Book of Exalted Deeds made canonically for 3.5 but were already sorta a thing.

Non-combat XP was an explicit part of the 3.5e Dungeon Masters Guide, where it is advised to award experience based on the difficulty using the same concept as CR.

[SOLDIER First]

Is it canon that goblins are fodder races?

[Arcvasti]

In before Oona gets the crimson mantle, and becomes the new, much saner high priest of the dark one.

[Egan_BW]

That would seem fairly appropriate, but she's not even a cleric.

[Akura]

Is it canon that goblins are fodder races?

Spoiler: I haven't read Start of Darkness, but from what I've heard (click to show/hide)

Yes. Yes it is. Something the Dark One did not like finding out about

[SOLDIER First]

Damn, that shit sucks!

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[Egan_BW]

Oona may not be being helpful, but she's still cool.