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[smjjames]

Yeah, there's definitely some house-ruling going on with the vampires, and I'm not talking about the negative soul thing. One original rule being thrown out is the one where vampires cannot enter a place they don't have permission to enter. Otherwise, Gontor would not have been able to raid the Mechane for the teleport orb.
Unless you go heavy with the rules-lawyering and say that since the Mechane is a pirate ship, it's not bound by any laws regarding breaking & entering, and therefore anyone can enter.

That sounds like a really dumb rule, I wonder what the rationale was behind putting that rule in there. If vampires were some sort of construct that you give orders to that they are bound by, sure, but they're supposed to be free-willed undead.

I see a logic loophole where person x didn't say 'not' to come in, therefore, they gave permission via omission.

[Rolan7]

It's an original part of vampire lore.  It didn't apply to Bram Stoker's Dracula, IIRC, but it was in many of the much older folktales which inspired that story.

Really plays up the human instinct toward paranoia.  Suddenly you don't want to invite your neighbors over, just in case they're one of *them*, you know?

Rule-wise, vampires are a frankly OP template as I think this comic has demonstrated.  Strong weaknesses are natural.

[Egan_BW]

It's not that much different from being repelled by garlic and hurt by running water. Vampires represent disease and things that fight disease are effective against them. Keeping a clear boundary between your home and outside, and not inviting in strangers can be one of those things.

[Mathel]

I've seen one movie or show or something completely subvert the garlic thing with a vampire straight up eating garlic and loving it, so, it'd be funny to have them subvert it one way or another. AFAIK, the garlic thing isn't a DnD rule written in stone and is just a trope.

Discworld, Carpe Jugulum

[Sergius]

I've seen one movie or show or something completely subvert the garlic thing with a vampire straight up eating garlic and loving it, so, it'd be funny to have them subvert it one way or another. AFAIK, the garlic thing isn't a DnD rule written in stone and is just a trope.

Discworld, Carpe Jugulum

Spoiler: The Lost Boys (click to show/hide)

The head vampire specifically wasn't affected by anti-vampire things because he tricked someone in the house to invite them in for dinner. The younger brother puts a bunch of garlic in his food, and he chokes, but it was a LOT of garlic, so then he just takes a small amount and eats it.

Also, in Dracula: The Series, inviting a vampire into your house apparently merely disables the super duper cross that shoots lasers and disintegrates vampires. But in that show, even daylight doesn't kill them, it merely depowers them so they pass as human during the day.

In Buffy, Angel tries to get into a house uninvited to save the owner, and bumps into an invisible literal forcefield, complete with mime action.

Re: D&D stuff:
https://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/3e_SRD:Vampire#Vampire_Weaknesses

[Rolan7]

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[smjjames]

That came up quicker than usual for Rich Burlew.

Unless that thing has some sort of long range spit attack (which, if acid, I can see the team exploiting), theres no air cover.

edit: Those on the GitP forum identified it as a nightcrawler, which doesn't have a ranged attack, but it can summon stuff which can also fly, so, theres the air cover.

[Lord Shonus]

edit: Those on the GitP forum identified it as a nightcrawler, which doesn't have a ranged attack, but it can summon stuff which can also fly, so, theres the air cover.

At-will Unholy Blight, 3/day Cone Of Cold, 1/day Finger Of Death and Mass Hold Monster are fairly potent ranged attacks.

[smjjames]

Good point, missed that. That thing looks like, and people on the GitP forum are saying, it could wreck the Order if they aren't careful.

[Lord Shonus]

Yep. V would have trouble with the SR, Haley isn't a big damage dealer without Sneak Attack, and the rest of the Order are primarily melee fighters, where the beast is strongest. As one of the GITP regulars put it:

Ouch, a nightcrawler. Those things are nasty. One of those CR 18 but not actually CR 18 monsters.

[Enemy post]

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[Egan_BW]

Intelligent monsters are a pain for everyone involved.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Blindsight strikes again.

[Lord Shonus]

Nightcrawlers don't have Blindsense. It is more likely to be the at-will see invisibility SLA.

[smjjames]

The d20srd link I posted further back doesn't have that. It mentions spell like abilities (which I think is what you mean by SLA), but doesn't say what abilities. nvm, it's further down.