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Re: Order of the Stick
« Reply #2970 on: July 23, 2018, 04:56:45 am »

The vampire spirit is your worst day, personified. However bad Belkar is, some of his days are better than others. Can you imagine what his worst day was like?
Whatever Belkar or Detect Evil may say, there's still some good left. His hypothetical vampire spirit would be that, but with all the good sucked out, focused on his hatred for the world and everyone in it. It would be worse by definition, and utterly horrifying.
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« Reply #2971 on: July 23, 2018, 06:14:18 am »

The random stabbing/desire to stab didn't give that away? The party has always been his only leash, though admittedly he has been developing an independent personality and seems at least to pretend (his word) to change.

random stabbing/desire to stab describes the good PCs in most D&D games. I was considering that Belkar's occasionally stabbing of people the other characters wouldn't stab meant he was CN.

This is a game about a band of wandering murder hobos who bust into the homes of various creatures then get surprised when the inhabitants want them to leave, then kill every living thing and loot the corpses. In fact, most "good" aligned D&D parties stab first, ask questions later, in case they come across a group of various races designated the "bad" races and they win initiative. Maybe that's not good roleplaying, but it's my near-universal experience with dungeon delving with a party: "you come across a room, six goblins are in it, what do you do?" => "we kill them all". That's when playing "good" characters. If the same people are playing evil, they're going to be murdering the other party members or the NPC tagalongs and stuff.
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« Reply #2972 on: July 23, 2018, 06:23:47 am »

I'm not sure if you can really say most, that's a negative stereotype of a murder hobo party, which does happen, but that's not all D&D parties and this isn't a story about a murder hobo party, so it's hardly relevant.

As for if the vampire would be worse then Belkar
The vampire spirit is your worst day, personified. However bad Belkar is, some of his days are better than others. Can you imagine what his worst day was like?

For a goodly person like Durkon his worst day is the day he was wronged by others and everything he knew or desired was turned to ash, creating a resentment and seed of evil within him that he buried deep down. For Belkar, who appears to be evil for the evilulz, that might be very different. Belkar at his worst might actually be significantly less evil then normal Belkar because unlike a good person like Durkon, evil doesn't represent what's the worst part of him, at least to himself! And his worst most traumatizing days might be when he wasn't very evil at all. Belkars worst days may very well be the days he spent under the curse, weak, sick, reliant on others and hallucinating. This lead to almost the opposite reaction that it did in Durkon, leading to a deep down seed of... If not good, at least realization that evil isn't really the best path forward for him. A vampire nurtured on those memories and feelings could come out very differently then a stereotypical good person turns into evil vampire.
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Re: Order of the Stick
« Reply #2973 on: July 23, 2018, 06:41:29 am »

EDIT: I was thinking that Belkar is the classic Chaotic Neutral type, however apparently he's Chaotic Evil.
Wearing a ring of protection from evil sets him aflame.

Roy was told that without the party he would have been eviller 'than the offspring of Cruella De Vile and Sauron'.
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« Reply #2974 on: July 23, 2018, 08:59:20 am »

As funny as "Vampire Belkar being traumatized by Belkar" is, Belkar has undergone (unwitting) character development and so Vampire Belkar would just basically be classic Belkar. However, it's highly likely that Vampire Belkar wouldn't give a rat's ass what Hel wants and so would be about as cooperative as normal Belkar.
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« Reply #2975 on: July 23, 2018, 01:36:15 pm »

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« Reply #2976 on: July 23, 2018, 02:15:17 pm »

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« Reply #2977 on: July 23, 2018, 02:18:21 pm »

Welp, guess I was wrong.
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Re: Order of the Stick
« Reply #2978 on: July 23, 2018, 08:31:18 pm »

Durkula has encountered an error: dwarf does not compute.
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« Reply #2979 on: July 23, 2018, 09:52:13 pm »

Concept: Order of the Stakes.

They all get vampirized, but Durkula recruits the negative energy guys to save the world.

Oh and Roy is still alive and is weirded out + have trust issues now.
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Re: Order of the Stick
« Reply #2980 on: July 24, 2018, 01:05:30 am »

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« Reply #2981 on: July 24, 2018, 02:24:22 am »


Pointed what out?
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Re: Order of the Stick
« Reply #2982 on: July 24, 2018, 06:33:22 am »

The way Durkula used "tha' ". Dunno what significance it is, though.
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Re: Order of the Stick
« Reply #2983 on: July 24, 2018, 06:45:27 am »

He didn't say tha', though, he said tha, which is the established way dwarves say "the".
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« Reply #2984 on: July 24, 2018, 08:31:33 am »

The point being that HPoH, who usually speaks without accent, suddenly started speaking like Durkon.
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