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[Rolan7]

Doesn't he have that trinket he bought in Gnomeville that is supposed to protect against being dominated?

Did he...?  He tried to buy one of Protection From Evil, and it burned him (a houserule)...  But I can't remember what happened, didn't he get a "faulty" one?  Which might work like you're saying?

The weird but very specific thing against Protection From Alignment spells is that they block *all* possession...:

SRD[/url]]Second, the barrier blocks any attempt to possess the warded creature (by a magic jar attack, for example) or to exercise mental control over the creature (including enchantment (charm) effects and enchantment (compulsion) effects that grant the caster ongoing control over the subject, such as dominate person). The protection does not prevent such effects from targeting the protected creature, but it suppresses the effect for the duration of the protection from evil effect. If the protection from evil effect ends before the effect granting mental control does, the would-be controller would then be able to mentally command the controlled creature. Likewise, the barrier keeps out a possessing life force but does not expel one if it is in place before the spell is cast. This second effect works regardless of alignment.

[Lord Shonus]

Hmm. Does the wording of that imply that the vampire can raise someone they killed by ANY method of draining Con? There's no specific reference to the bite attack.

You really must not be familiar with 3.5 D&D. That sort of shoddy wording is endemic in the system, which is where we get the idea of healing somebody by drowning them.



@Rolan
He did buy the Protection From Evil clasp. He got a discount on it by claiming that it was faulty (to dodge questions about his alignment).

[Akura]

which is where we get the idea of healing somebody by drowning them.

Is that the part because the first round they are drowning their HP is set to 0(unconscious), without any mention of what happens if they were already dying(<0)?

Maybe it's a baptism of sorts.

[TD1]

The Abrahamic God sees your game!
He is displeased with a beloved character's imminent death!
Baptise to save!

[Sergius]

If we're going by some sort of cinematic battle rules, then sure this could end like some epic mini battle and kill a lot of "low level" vampires.
If we're going by any kind of rules such as probability and rolling d20s and stuff, there's no way to just win this by fair combat... even if everyone's AC was thru the roof and a roll of 16 on the die would be needed to hit any of them, that still means 5 of every 20 attacks will hit, and they drain levels which make you fight worse which will just keep making you easier to hit/kill.

At-will saving throws have the same problem, except they're probably more save or suck than even being level drained (although Charms would only make you friendly towards ONE specific vampire, and let you keep hitting all the others, but then he just needs to ask you to let him hug you)

Nah, there needs to be some deus ex machina that saves them, or more clever use of AoA spells or something, maybe escape by burrowing thru the floor. Super-Duper-Daylight and stuff like that, which I'm not sure they have.

[Madman198237]

Don't worry, their high-level cleric certainly has----wait a minute...

[smjjames]

A thought just occured to me, can they move the box? As in push it from within?

[Sergius]

Can't move a force cage at all, tho I'm sure it would move if it was in a self-contained vehicle (like a moving ship).

Even if you could, it's enclosed on all 6 sides so you're also standing on its floor.

[Madman198237]

Delayed-activation spells, anyone?

[Criptfeind]

If we're going by some sort of cinematic battle rules, then sure this could end like some epic mini battle and kill a lot of "low level" vampires.
If we're going by any kind of rules such as probability and rolling d20s and stuff, there's no way to just win this by fair combat... even if everyone's AC was thru the roof and a roll of 16 on the die would be needed to hit any of them, that still means 5 of every 20 attacks will hit, and they drain levels which make you fight worse which will just keep making you easier to hit/kill.

21 ac isn't though the roof for a level 16 character, especially a fighter.

But the bigger issue here is the vampires need time for this to be true. Sure, maybe if Roy stood in the middle of them killing them one by one as they made 8 attacks per round on him they'd manage to get a good number of hits in. But the vamps are in a narrow corridor that like like they can get maybe 3-4 in range on either side per round. That's 1-2 vamp attacks per hero. And V can kill somewhere between all and most the vampires on his next turn, roy can probably kill a very good number as well. The vampires simply don't have time to nicely line up their statistics against the heroes, eek in a small percentage, and win over a long period of time.

[Rolan7]

The corridor's wide enough that the force cage isn't even blocking it, though.  The vampires have the force cage surrounded, surrounding the party will be even easier once the cage is gone.

Roy could maybe survive this, yeah, since he's a melee fighter with an anti-undead weapon.  Everyone else is at a heavy disadvantage - even the wizard is surrounded by melee threats, and can't even begin casting for a round.  Which is plenty of time for the vampires to grapple and/or drain *even more* levels, basically neutralizing V.

Haley, Elan, and the NPC are just SOL.  I mean, they're currently all keeping their eyes closed to avoid mind-control
I'm still betting on Plane Shift, heh.

[Criptfeind]

Yeah, it looks like you're right, the hallway is a little bit bigger then I was giving it credit for, not that it matters, they can still just stand up against the wall and lower the number of vamps that can get to them to 9 total. Which is perfectly manageable. no wait, they are using the 10 foot cube version. Only six vampires should be able to attack them per round.

V can just float over about 5 feet to be in the middle of everyone, and thus be out of danger. Elan should be fine against the mind control. Haley is a bit dicier, but there's plenty of magic items that would help you'd expect a level 16 rogue to have.

Outside of plot needs (which I admit could totally be a thing). They just aren't threatened by a pack of enemies with cr 1/4 their level.

[smjjames]

They seem pretty concerned for facing a pack of enemies with a challenge rating not even 1/4th their player level that shouldn't threaten them otherwise.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Energy drain is dangerous no matter what the level, and there's a lot of them.

[smjjames]

Maybe they do need some sort of deus ex machina, it's definetly setting up the stage for something.