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Re: Order of the Stick: 1026 Goliath Falls
« Reply #1770 on: February 29, 2016, 09:43:45 am »

Didn't someone totally call that? Belkar not getting to gloat about being right?
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Re: Order of the Stick: 1026 Goliath Falls
« Reply #1771 on: February 29, 2016, 10:45:39 am »

Do we know which side the devils that own a few minutes of V's time are on in this conflict?

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« Reply #1772 on: February 29, 2016, 11:02:58 am »

Do we know which side the devils that own a few minutes of V's time are on in this conflict?
At the moment, all we know is that they're on their own side.  They've been very clear about how their agenda is separate from both Xykon's (ultimate power) and Redcloak's (bargaining chip to ensure the Dark One a seat at the divine table), but I'm not sure how well it falls in with Hel's (commanding role in the new genesis). They wanted Girard's gate destroyed, but we don't know if that was because they want to weaken the seal on the Snarl (for whatever omnicidal reason), widen the breach between the two worlds (and possibly gain access to the souls on the other side), or if they wanted to push Hel's agenda by creating a clear crisis to trigger this Godsmoot (and gain a share of the souls so lost).  My two cents are on the second, because most cultures don't have the particular Hel/Valhalla divide of the dwarves and thus wouldn't benefit the trio as much in terms of souls gained, and they seem to be too relentlessly pragmatic to be shooting for a generic "destroy the world" for the sake of destroying the world.  If that's true, then they do not benefit from Hel's plan succeeding, because it will shore up the barrier dividing them from the other side.  Of course, my track record for predictions is not all that wonderful, so take it with a grain of salt. :3
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Re: Order of the Stick: 1026 Goliath Falls
« Reply #1773 on: February 29, 2016, 11:31:59 am »

They've already stated their goals, and that's to create a better cooperation between the evil alignments as to be a more effective force in the world. I'm not sure they really have a stake in this. The gods have already stated an intention to recreate the world, outsiders obviously will not be affected, and in either the existing or recreated one the potential for a better organized Evil remains. I definitely don't think they have any independent desire to help the Snarl, which given what it is probably has an alignment of True Neutral.

Ultimately, I think they'll use their remaining time to create the greatest shifts towards an Evil world possible. We've already seen this with both V's actions during the splice (they clearly did not predict Familicide, but oh, the moral conundrum that introduces is delicious, call it a bonus) and the first reclamation, because destroying Girard's gate puts the whole world, gods included, on "desperate times desperate measures" watch.

I don't think they're interested in helping Hel, because she's very clearly the exact opposite of what they've got going on. She is using Evil purely for her own benefit to the exclusion of other Evil's benefits. Loki is hardly a moral paragon.
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« Reply #1774 on: February 29, 2016, 12:01:20 pm »

Actually, despite what Belkar says about them not flying in the OOTS universe, technically they can, just in smoke form only. Though if their host body has wings, I guess they could physically fly.
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« Reply #1775 on: February 29, 2016, 01:03:54 pm »

Loki is hardly a moral paragon.

Unless The Giant has stated otherwise, I'd peg Loki as Chaotic Neutral(and have Fire and Trickery as domains), not Evil.
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Re: Order of the Stick: 1026 Goliath Falls
« Reply #1776 on: February 29, 2016, 01:14:34 pm »

They've already stated their goals, and that's to create a better cooperation between the evil alignments as to be a more effective force in the world. I'm not sure they really have a stake in this. The gods have already stated an intention to recreate the world, outsiders obviously will not be affected, and in either the existing or recreated one the potential for a better organized Evil remains. I definitely don't think they have any independent desire to help the Snarl, which given what it is probably has an alignment of True Neutral.

The IFCC promised to kill 5 Good dragons for every Black dragon V killed with Familicide, and commented that it would be a trivial amount in terms of their goals. They have to be planning far more than just reorganizing evil.
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Re: Order of the Stick: 1026 Goliath Falls
« Reply #1777 on: February 29, 2016, 01:17:39 pm »

Indeed.  Their "evil cooperation" feels more like a front to me, or rather, not the complete story; I believe that they're not just cooperating for the sake of cooperation, but to some end.
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« Reply #1778 on: February 29, 2016, 01:20:36 pm »

Indeed.  Their "evil cooperation" feels more like a front to me; I believe that they're not just cooperating for the sake of cooperation, but to some end.

That's already been said in the comic. It seems like some kind of 'plans within plans within plans' kind of thing.
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« Reply #1779 on: February 29, 2016, 01:40:34 pm »

If Redcloak succeeds, the Dark One would have the vote needed to stop Hel, though, right? Or to join her, but that would mean the death of all his followers.

Maybe V was taken out of play to ensure no interference when Durkula was created (and the gate destroyed), to ensure the order of the stick wouldn't stop Redcloak or Xykon, because they'd been led to the summit by Durkula.
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Re: Order of the Stick: 1026 Goliath Falls
« Reply #1780 on: February 29, 2016, 01:44:21 pm »

No particular reason to assume the Dark One is part of the Northern Pantheon and therefore entitled to a vote there.
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Re: Order of the Stick: 1026 Goliath Falls
« Reply #1781 on: February 29, 2016, 02:05:21 pm »

Upon being recognized as a legit deity it could have the potential to join the Northern.
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Re: Order of the Stick: 1026 Goliath Falls
« Reply #1782 on: March 07, 2016, 09:03:32 am »

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« Reply #1783 on: March 07, 2016, 09:23:22 am »

Speaking of legit deities...
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« Reply #1784 on: March 07, 2016, 09:57:37 am »

It's a good thing that skyboat always arrives in the nick of time.
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