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[notquitethere]

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Well, there's been four posts in the last 24 hours. I guess things are a little slow because a lot of you have a holiday period about now?

I'm really concerned that we might be in LYLO. Chances are, the Demon is going to kill a townie tonight. If we mislynch and scum successfully get a kill off (let alone a vigilante-style misfire happening), we go into Day four with two scum and two town. Game over for town. So we gotta get things right today.

I'm tentatively suggesting a claim of all night targets (not a mass full-claim: we can still keep aces up our sleeve against the mafia etc.). We should only claim what action we used if it matters to working things out (so if you're a cop and you failed to learn anything then don't claim!) This way we've got a better chance of working out, given what we know of the flipped players, what happened each night.

What do people think?

Shakerag

And I will give you two+ good reasons I think Nerjin is town:
1 - Very vehemently against ties.  His reactions to them feel natural and not faked.
2 - He makes mistakes due to emotion.  I expect scum to be much more meticulous about every word they say (especially if experienced). 
3 - Extremely forthcoming with information.
4 - Doesn't seem to have voted with bullshit reasoning.

Huh, well not sure about seriously we should take number 1 (Nerjin always plays like that), but at least it looks like you've been paying attention. And yeah, I looked back, and though you didn't do anything today until people got on your case (though I guess it was the weekend), you did seem to be capable of reads on Day 2.

Okay, so now you're claiming you might have been randomized when you were handing out your randomiser. So... what exactly was your vote on me for? And what were you doing just handing out randomises to people? Randomize doesn't seem like a particularly pro-town power. I could see you handing it out to a scum-mate... who did you intend to give it to? Nerjin?

[notquitethere]

Toaster, not me!

[TheWetSheep]

Deathsword:

Deathsword, why didn't you use the word scum when you addressed me?

To put it quite simply: I have the suspicion that you are a third party. Looking at your interaction with others, I can't see much that would imply a scumbuddy. I strongly believe you are not town. I am not sure you are mafia.

Were you thinking about this when you wrote the post, or was it justification after the fact? Because it really seems like the latter.

TWS: Who do you think is scum after Shakerag.

NQT and Deathsword. Partly process of elimination(I think Toaster, ZU and Nerjin are town), some gut feeling on NQT, and Deathsword hasn't really done much. Also:

NQT:Where's your vote analysis? Seems to me you usually use it as town but not as scum, and you haven't been using it much.

What do people think?

Seems okay, but if people had valuable information, don't you think they would have claimed it already?


No gained powers for me last night.

[notquitethere]

Sheep

NQT:Where's your vote analysis? Seems to me you usually use it as town but not as scum, and you haven't been using it much.

I did some Day 2. I generally aim for one a day from Day 2 onwards. Today mostly people have been voting Shakerag because of your claim, but I'll do another round soon, don't worry! It just takes me a little while to go through all the posts. Also, for your information, the first game I did full-on spreadsheet tabulation of voting patterns was when I was playing scum in Mafia & Masons. That wasn't traditional mafia though: I've never played as trad-mafia with a scum chat on this subforum... so I'm not sure where you're pulling that assumption from.

What do people think?

Seems okay, but if people had valuable information, don't you think they would have claimed it already?

No, people are generally quite cautious, and understandably so. But tell you what, I'll start by putting together everything everyone's already claimed and then we can see where we are then.

[Shakerag]

Extend.  There's been very little discussion, holiday, etc.

[Toaster]

Extend.  Waiting for a certain person to claim/declaim an upgrade.

[Teneb]

Deathsword

To put it quite simply: I have the suspicion that you are a third party.

What happened to your case on Birdy? Forgot what case you were trumping up in the long night?

I have not forgotten. I am thinking about it, revising it, so to speak. Birdy was replaced and I currently going over my case and how he acted and comparing it to ZU's behaviour so far.

NQT: In the quoted post above (which was trimmed, but just click the link if you want) you are pretty quick of accusing Shakerag of being scum and doing the NK. Yet you vote me without much accusation other than a question about my case on birdy. I understand that stopping pressuring a case the next day may be wierd, but you accuse Shakerag of doing a NK and then not vote him. Why is that?

Deathsword:

Deathsword, why didn't you use the word scum when you addressed me?

To put it quite simply: I have the suspicion that you are a third party. Looking at your interaction with others, I can't see much that would imply a scumbuddy. I strongly believe you are not town. I am not sure you are mafia.

Were you thinking about this when you wrote the post, or was it justification after the fact? Because it really seems like the latter.

I was thinking about it when I wrote the post where I accused birdy. It would have been simpler to just say he was mafia if I was looking for quick justification.

Also extend

[notquitethere]

Deathsword

NQT: In the quoted post above (which was trimmed, but just click the link if you want) you are pretty quick of accusing Shakerag of being scum and doing the NK. Yet you vote me without much accusation other than a question about my case on birdy. I understand that stopping pressuring a case the next day may be wierd, but you accuse Shakerag of doing a NK and then not vote him. Why is that?

That's a legitimate question. I was concerned about Shakerag being accidentally hammered when we could potentially be at LYLO; I was just reflecting his nonsense case back at him; and I'm wary about us collectively focusing on one person and let everyone else slide by. That's how scum win. As for my case being stronger on Shake: I'm pretty sure we'll get the extend and so what with the holidays, that's a lot of downtime for me to do my proper analysis.

Extend

[webadict]

Day Extended to Monday

[zombie urist]

We all claimed except Nerjin so he must be the upgrade/downgrade thingy right?

Can someone do a claim summary sometime?

All I got was TWS inspected imp and shakerag.
Someone gave Toaster a randomize.
Toaster upgraded someone???
I know Cheetar protected me N1.

[notquitethere]

ROLE CLAIMS AND FLIPS

Flips and False Claims

Spoiler: TolyK (click to show/hide)

TolyK - Entropy
The End?
(Auto) The End.: While you’re alive, if an action would cause you to lose the game, that action is undone.
(Night) Dissipation [target]: You may choose to block or delay the target. If you choose delay, this action is unblockable.
(1-Shot, Day) Equilibrium [target]: Kill the target. You can no longer vote, regardless of the number of votes you have.

Spoiler: Hapah (click to show/hide)

Hapah - The Creep
tssssssssss…
(Auto) Creeper: Any Night action you perform on a target gives you a free track action on the target.
(Night) Stalk [target]: You stalk the target, making sure they get to their destinations a-okay, and protect them if they don’t! It’s not unhealthy at all!
(1-Shot, Night) Call In A Favor [all]: You call in a few favors from your friends. All actions performed during this Night are copied to the user.

Spoiler: Cheetar (click to show/hide)

Fakeclaim:

Screw it, this is stupid. I am Ned Stark, and I am town. I have two abilities- The King's Hand, a day investigate, which I have used to determine that Tiruin (day 1) and Nerjin (day 2) are town. I also have a one-use night ability, Game of Thrones, which I may use to king somebody on the following day, giving them the only vote of the day. Don't lynch me damnit.

Flip:

Cheeetar was Petyr Baelish (lyncher).[/b][/font].

Cheeetar - Petyr Baelish
(1-Shot, Day) Master of Coin [target]: Prevent the target from being lynched during this Day.
(1-Shot, Night) Game of Thrones [target]: the target becomes King for the next Day. All other players have no votes.

Spoiler: The Iqovian (click to show/hide)

The_Iqovian - Exarch
(Auto/1-Shot, Day) Leader/Save [target]: You have one additional vote. Using this ability removes the extra vote, but blocks the lynch of whomever you choose for one Day.
(Auto/1-Shot, Night) Law/Lawbreaker [target]: You have one additional action at Night. Using this ability removes the extra action, but grants another player one additional action at Night.
(Night) Limited Authority [target1] [target2]: Sometimes, you just don’t have the ability to choose what you want to do. So, whatever the crown hands to you, you’ll have to hand out to others. You use a random action from this list:
Hide, Bus, Block, Randomize, Redirect, Protect, Motivate, Nothing, Kill, Inspect, Track, Watch
You are told what ability you used. No ability may be selected twice in a row.

He was Town.

Spoiler: Imp (click to show/hide)

Imp - Imp
(Auto) Avatar Of Pranks: When you win, you summon forth your master, the Prankster Demon. And naturally, like all demons, his idea of a prank is killing people. Because it’s HILARIOUS. At the end of each Day, after the lynch, the Prankster Demon randomly kills a player. You may also, during the Night, post about how hilarious anyone’s death was.
(Auto) Trickster: You receive a list of all players that targeted you. One of these players is randomly redirected to some other poor sap.
(1-Shot, Night) Disillusionment: All players are enchanted. Enchanted players randomly target players during this Night.

Spoiler: Tiruin (click to show/hide)

I'm a floppy fish. 

Tiruin - Jane Addams
(Mafiakill) Social Work [target]: You kill the target. Your action is disguised as a Protect. This action also goes through protects.
(Night) Hull House [target]: This action does not count toward your one action per Night limit. You protect the target from kills.
(1-Shot, Mafiakill) Public Health Awareness: All protects become kills. All other actions become protects. All kills go through protects. X-shots used by other players are not used up.

Tiruin - Floppy Fish
(Auto) Floppy: When you die, people will note how sad your existence was and will have the urge to flop themselves! As a result of that, the next phase after the phase post-death is skipped.
(Mafiakill) I thought you were a Fish: You are actually a Piranha playing on Hollywood-based information and eat the person you target! Your action is untraceable.
(1-Shot, Night) Fish out of Water: You flop on land and bounce on the hard confines that keep you ever so close to your destined habitat. Any actions taken against you tonight automatically fail. This action is not counted towards your one action per Night limit. You will also look Town during the time it is used.

Active Claims

Spoiler: Nerjin (click to show/hide)

I have nothing to hide, Imp, I have an ability called "Smooth Talk". It allows me to kinda... capture was the word used which was odd but whatever... Anyway if someone votes me I can smooth-talk them. They lose a vote. I gain one. I figured that since Birdy has NO case on me at all using it on him was the best thing to do.

Also, Birdy, I've detailed a case on you for quite a while. It's only now that you're acting so desperately that I'm CERTAIN that you're scum. I would have left without a fuss if you'd actually HAD a case.

And another thing! Your power, Silver Tongue wasn't it? That's much more of a villainous power than something someone who'd end up on team would have. People like Saruman, Lucifer or the Master have silver tongues, it's not the sort of power a goody gets.

It's called 'Smooth Talk'. Once again. I am a loyal patriot who fights for a greater cause. Though it would have been neat to play as some of those people I'm not quite so hard to figure out as that. Anyways, I see you get a double vote. That's kind of interesting.

Anyways... I've got a fun fact for you guys: Turns out I was misreading my role PM, I get to steal a vote regardless of whether or not the person votes me. Anyways...

Spoiler: Birdy/ZU (click to show/hide)

I am Kent Brockman News, Townie. My main selling point is that I am an investigatish role, although the way such investigations are held are rather obtuse and I would rather not get into how they are performed as it would be redundant.

I was unable to learn much last night. Through my investigations, I learned that I had a single visitor. A benevolent one at that.

Unfortunately however, that's all I have been able to learn. Which is disappointing to say the least.

However, my statement stands. I am Town, and I have absolutely no qualms with saying it at this point. Despite this, I am no any better of a Townie. Just saying it doesn't make it true, so your case and your suspicion is justified. There is not a trace of passive aggressiveness in that statement. It's just how things are.

Now, I've organized the questions and statements that needed responding to. Forgive for cherrypicking a bit on the statements, but when I do that I either answered the question earlier or silently disagree with you.

[1] No. My power did not give me insight into Toaster. However, as strong point is made that hiding the nature of what happened last night isn't going to help anyone, especially with his claim. I was Protected last night, and that was the only action taken upon me. That is the extent of my knowledge on the subject that isn't theory crafting.
[..]
I'll just go ahead and explain this one in detail. I'm already likely to be a target, but at least this time I can do something about it if I guess correctly.

It's called Rerun. It forces the target player to retake the action that they performed the night prior.  Apply to a scum player, and voila! They would be forced to take the factional kill repeatedly… Over and over and over again. A groundhog's day nightmare.

So, to recapitulate…

I have two abilities that I have claimed.

This Just In: I will see either the actions or the people who successfully visited me in the Night.

Rerun: The target player will be forced to retake his Night Action under any circumstances. (Even if said ability is shared between a group of people, such as the scum factional kill.)

For the case of talking though, I do have one more role, and it is rather insignificant. It is Rebroadcast, which let's get the other set of information that I didn't get the previous night. So since I learned about what successfully effected the night prior, I would now learn who successfully visited me.

As per the first, I have to be successfully targeted. Merely being targeted isn't enough. For me to detect them, I have to be effected by them. Thus, I don't know how redirects work in regard to my role. They don't change me in any shape or form directly, so I don't know if I detect them. Hence, I sent the PM.

I actually have full-claimed, just not in a single post. I'll reiterate all my claims here, to make it easier on you and anyone else who is curious.

1) This Just In - Gives me either the names of the people who visited me or the actions that were performed upon me during the Night randomly. Night 1, I learned that I was Protected.

2) Rebroadcast - I learn the other side of the information I did not receive the Night This Just In was used. In this case, I would learn who Protected me if I were to use it tonight.

3) Rerun - The target is forced to retake his action that he used the previous night. To my current understand, this works on any ability, even the factional Mafia kill.

Basically, the main reason I did that is because I don't have anything more to hide. This Just In was unfortunately weaker than I thought it was, which is part of the many colored rainbow reasons of why I am being lynched, and Rebroadcast follows suit.

I won't lie though, there is one final aspect about my role that is not could still benefit us. However, I honestly doubt anyone who is voting me gives a hoot about what I claim. (Bird pun!) WIFOM, etc.

Something doesn't make sense. Cheetar targeted me N1 with a protect he doesn't have a protect so its probably Public Health Awareness. But Cheetar's only Naction was a kingmaker and he felt I was super scummy D1???

Regarding Toaster's upgrade:

I didn't get any updates to my role.

Spoiler: Toaster (click to show/hide)

I have a two-shot protect, and I used one of them on Hapah last night.  Either he attracted two kills or one that bypassed protection.

Two, he got a random ability.  I received an ability last night and I don't know why.

Okay, need a claim:  Who got upgraded last night?

Spoiler: TheWetSheep (click to show/hide)

Shakerag: Why did my inspect receive a mafia result on you?

Now a more full claim:

Ability 1: Inspect. I inspected Imp N1, but got no PM that night. No idea why. Shakerag N2, mafia result.

Ability 2: Not gonna bother claiming yet, although I wouldn't be against claiming it if you want me to.

Ability 3: 1-shot Role-swap. Very useful right now.I could give my role to someone else, so that scum don't know who has the inspect. This also has the possibility of fingering another scum if their role looks like a scum role. I could also use it on somebody who's claimed their role to verify theirs and mine and hope for doctoring. Thoughts?

Alright, I'll bite. What's the second ability?

OK. Ability 2: I can steal a vote from the future, but it has consequences, and I don't know what they are yet. I haven't used this so far since I haven't really had the need for a second vote.

Sheep, did you get Shake's name attached to the inspect

Shakerag's name wasn't attached, no. It just said my target was mafia.

My role name is BYOR 13. Since I'm from the future, I can look up player's alignments from the almanac I printed out in the future. I can also steal a vote from the future. The role-swap doesn't tie in too well, but it's something to do with a BYOR switcheroo. I'm not claiming ability names since roles that use that information aren't out of the question.

TWS:

Ability 1: Inspect. I inspected Imp N1, but got no PM that night. No idea why.

Wait, you got no PM night 1?  Did you ask webadict as to why that might be?

Correct. I asked Web if I was missing a pm, and he said no, so I asked him if I would have gotten a pm if I was roleblocked. He said a standard roleblock would have notified me that I was roleblocked.

Regarding Toaster's upgrade:

No gained powers for me last night.

Spoiler: Deathsword (click to show/hide)

Reading Imp's role-flip, it looks like you were redirected. The lack of a result probably means that someone has a power that protects them from inspects.

Maybe... do you think your powers targeted correctly last night? I'm still trying to work it out but I think Imp's one-shot might have come into effect N2 instead.

I was blocked, so I have no idea if I was going to be redirected or not.

Spoiler: Shakerag (click to show/hide)

I received an ability last night and I don't know why.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess ... it was a randomize ability?

A golden star cookie for you.

That's interesting, because I didn't target you.

Spoiler: notquitethere (click to show/hide)

So does that mean you're scum?  Or that you didn't learn anything last night?

It means I either didn't learn anything last night or I learned something that wouldn't be in the interests of town to share. If I learn something safe and useful, I'll share.

I didn't learn anything N1 (my action received no report back), and N2 I was re-targeted and didn't learn anything useful (I'll only full claim if everyone is: we should either avoid giving scum too much useful information or we should lay all cards on the table and work out everyone's actions for the game).

Regarding Toaster's upgrade:

Toaster, not me!

Coming soon... some kind of explanation for what everyone did so far.

I'm confused why did Toaster get a randomize?

Shakerag claims he gave one out, but didn't intend to target Toaster.

Deathsword, Shakerag, Nerjin, you going to answer Toaster's question? Did any of you get an upgrade last night?

[Tiruin]

For the record, its obvious that the fish was a joke. :v

Edit (because haha ): :I
I didn't see that as a joke >_<

[notquitethere]

For the record, its obvious that the fish was a joke. :v

For the record, it's obvious I was including it there as a joke.

[notquitethere]

ZU

I know Cheetar protected me N1.

He couldn't have deliberately: he only had one-shots which wouldn't have been used up if Tiruin had Public Health Announced on N1. The only current explanation is you're making things up (can't see why you would for this) or The Iqovian used one of his Limited Authority actions to make Cheetar act on Birdy, or Cheetar act on Imp and was randomly auto-redirected to Birdy. Either this action randomised as a protect, or Tiruin's PHA was in effect and the random action was anything other than a protect.

[Toaster]

Hmmm.


WUBA:

Tiruin - Jane Addams
(1-Shot, Mafiakill) Public Health Awareness: All protects become kills. All other actions become protects. All kills go through protects. X-shots used by other players are not used up.

If the effect of this ability changed a one shot from whatever it was to become a protect, would the one-shot still be used up?