Cheeetar:
Cheeetar, do you feel more protective towards The_Iqovian than you do most other players?
I'd be happier if he turned out to be town than scum, and I'd be glad if he started playing earnestly (he's been somewhat busy in real life, as have a few other people in this game)- that's not my reason for attacking Nerjin, though. If Iqovian does start acting legitimately scummy I'll vote for and pressure him- it might seem that I'm letting him off easy, but I know his style of writing a bit more than other people do.
Do you feel differently, and more strongly, about The_Iqovian than you do most other players? There appears to be a connection between you, more one from you to him than from one from him to you.
I'm seriously time pressed so no hunting for links atm, but others have asked you about defending him and also about advising him. For my own eyes, as I've looked over play, you do appear to respond to and react to him a bit differently than the rest of us. I'm not sure what I'm seeing is Scummy, but if you could explain what that reaction you have is/comes from I could use it as part of my reasoning as to what I see means.
If you really need links to know what I'm asking about say so, and I'll put extra time into finding them asap.
The_Iqovian:
I'm a reasonably new player, I've played a few mafia games before and had decent amounts of fun.
The 'nor do I have any reason to go after any of you' was essentially my way of admitting that I really had no reads on anyone at the time. It wasn't a philosophical statement, it was sheer pragmatism.
I feel like he's scummy because he's taking the one thing he 'has' on me (a joke, as I and others have said) and just running with it like it's a football and he has a clear shot at a try.
Great to know about your experience - you do know that the Scum are out to kill the Town and hide while they do so (and there could be other malific third parties too, who also don't want to be noticed while they persue their wincons that conflict with Town's - the majority of us being Town).
Your "nor do I have any reason to go after any of you" is troublesome, because Scum usually don't find themselves. Arguably, if you're playing this game, you have a reason to try and find Scum, or at least look like you do - Most of us because we are Town and will lose if we don't succeed at exposing the Scum - and the rest of us because if someone don't look like they share that majority goal, that person is going to be pretty easily found.
I don't mind your vote on Nerjin, but I'd like your case well better if it amounted to more than 'he attacked me and the attack is bad'. I'd also have liked it a lot more if you'd stated that instead of saying instead
It looks to me like he's trying to get rid of me - a laudable cause to be sure - but I think his motives this time are more along the lines of 'killing all the townies', than de-scumming the docks.
That's a strong claim, that you think his motives are killing Town as opposed to hunting Scum, and claims like that should be backed up by details supporting why you see this happening - without that, your words make you look more suspicious. If someone is Scum, you don't have to paint them red or Scummy - that can make you look Scummier - instead you can highlight what they're doing that is Scummy, invite them to explain and discuss that and their motives, explain how and where their logic or details given contradicts other known (usually posted earlier) details. Sometimes Scummy-looking stuff isn't Scummy. Other times it is. If you'd rather lynch Scum than just Scummy, it may be important to try and differentiate between the two, and that probably can't happen only inside any one player's thoughts.
I'm not convinced that Nerjin is trying to get rid of you or not - I suspect he's trying to investigate you and expose your motives and reactions more clearly. That doesn't confirm your alignment or his - but I think how you react and how you try to Scumhunt (or not) can be meaningful in determining your role.
One thing to consider, comedy tends to involve saying things, but not saying what you mean. If much of your posting (more than one or two rare, and ideally clearly defined jokes... you can even use /joke and then say what you really think!) consists of not saying what you mean - that's likely to confuse us, and what purpose does it serve towards identifying Scum? One very wise IC (player in a newbie game, playing with the purpose of teaching others) once said that 'Everything you do, everything, should be done to help you catch Scum'. A lot of your posts appear to not be directed towards Scumhunting, and that is worrysome. I hope your future posts show your motives more clearly.
notquitethere:
On that note, just an aside about English language and such, Tiruin is actually using note correctly in one of its other forms - at least American English has "on that note" and similar in common usage (Googling "on that note" gives over 70 million results). And one can replace 'that' with a more specific descriptor without changing the use or meaning. Notes are also musical, music expresses themes, themes exist in conversations, and that wraps around to proper English use of "'kill all third-parties haahahaahaha' note" for whatever it's worth.
TolyK:
Numbers added to the quote by me.
Your whole argument, basically:
[1] - My style of asking people questions, analyzing posts and such is disagreeable.
[2] - Moreover, I haven't been asking many questions at all, due to low activity.
[3] - And I haven't been answering the semi-rhetorical questions asked, either.
[4]- I replied about a possible serial killer and/or cult once, in reply to a question of "what should we look out for?"
You are so far off the base in what you describe as my argument I don't understand how it's possible.
1 - I never call your style of questions and analysis 'disagreeable' - it is not Scumhunting and was being used as a distraction. Asking one question, then spending 5 days playing with that question's answers is neither satisfactory Scumhunting nor satisfactory analysis.
2 - I never attribute your lack of asking many questions to your 'low activity' - far as I'm concerned your activity is just fine - it's your 'lack of content' and the redirective focus that you are clearly displaying. Your motives feel hostile to me, your what I call a 'show' feels deceptive and designed to hide malicious intent. Your reaction to my challenge is redirective, your analysis of it is deeply inaccurate, and you are still not scumhunting.
3 - You dare invite me to "Ping [you] later in case I forget" because of two totally trimmed out posts of mine which you say "Neat. There's something here, but I don't have the time to look at it right now" about. You're now calling my questions about your statement 'semi-rhetorical', and you still haven't returned to it. Apparently your words then were also only misdirection and deception to hide your real intentions and your real lack of intention to Scumhunt.
4 - I have not challenged you on anything you've said about possible third parties - nor have I said one word about it. Someone else has, yes.
Everything that you describe as your interpretation of my 'argument' is incorrect, some of it 100% incorrect.
There's no way I'd feel comfortable with you in Lylo with how you're posting, analyzing, and playing, no matter what your alignment is. Your level of redirection and misinterpretation seems highly malicious. By all means, Scumhunt. It's your wrong focus and your lack of focus that has caught my attention so strongly.
But I've spent well over an hour answering questions (which you say I don't answer)
Wrong again, I say that you mostly only answer questions (and the other thing you mainly do is repeatedly discuss your first question's answers, drawing the most obvious and lowest level conclusions from them - a waste of time and an inflation of post count).
Out of time -
Hapah and anyone else I've missed, I'll respond to you when I next get a chance.
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