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Fivex's

4 (50%)

Before OOS

4 (50%)

Total Members Voted: 8

[Azthor]

It hadn't come to mind before, but I take it we are all considering core fabrication by vassal integration an exploit?

PS: Fivex's is a 1511 save, not so much an early save as the newest save available; either way, we know for a fact the edited save worked fine when Fivex hosted, at least with those individuals present.

[Twiggie]

I think vassals is fine as long as you're not selling them provinces and you're not deliberately giving them high-tax provinces in peace deals...

[Tarran]

No, the current one on first page is the modified one, I think, I made a cloud save (since non-cloud saves take forever for me to load for some reason) off the initial uneditted one, where you are still in a PU and some countries (including Portugal) still have bad idea groups/decisions. Milan can declare independence without a problem, the game doesn't crash after multiple tests either.

Oh, good, so it isn't like EU3 with the nonending phantom wars. Well, that makes the edits rather worthless. Ah, I won't mind restarting earlier as much then.

I think vassals is fine as long as you're not selling them provinces and you're not deliberately giving them high-tax provinces in peace deals...

So, you can't sell vassals provinces they have cores on? I mean, you should be able to sell provinces that vassals have cores on, because you can already give the provinces to them in a peace deal. I don't think it'd be that much of an exploit at all.

[Twiggie]

sooo... we're tied at 4 each

I was thinking of playing from 1502, which was the first time Azthor was OOS'ed.

I'll have a look at the latest game from fivex in a bit...

[DreXav]

Don't see much point going from 1502 - if we are rolling back, then let's go back to the 1498 save that's without any edits. Or just pick up from latest save if we are confident in stability. I'd prefer the safer route, since unstable games aren't fun at all.

[Twiggie]

Um, can somebody actually point me to that fivex save? I can't seem to find it

[fivex]

Um, can somebody actually point me to that fivex save? I can't seem to find it

Here
It's no different than the save you probably made at the end of the session.

[DreXav]

Welp, Andrew, I sure hope you return for next session because England is now allied with both France and Portugal against me, the Spain That and I missed over an hour of this session due graphic card issues, so the Mamluks got a foothold on my/port border and westernized. Filthy muslims!

[Tarran]

Also of note, Milan grew around 3 times its previous size. And Lombardia has a base tax of 22. Good luck, anyone thinking of ever converting it to anything besides what it is right now.

And Isdar, it would be nice if you came next session. Hansa is still around, and still holding strong.

[fivex]

Welp, Andrew, I sure hope you return for next session because England is now allied with both France and Portugal against me, the Spain That and I missed over an hour of this session due graphic card issues, so the Mamluks got a foothold on my/port border and westernized. Filthy muslims!

I westernized against portugal.
How were you going to stop me?

[Andrew425]

So England didn't succumb to rebels and release Scotland? 

[DreXav]

So England didn't succumb to rebels and release Scotland?

I assume it didn't as Great Britain was formed and it even started colonizing.

I westernized against portugal.
How were you going to stop me?

By retaking those provinces after your conquest for my reconquista mission. Alas, I was ten years too late.

[fivex]

I didn't take any of the reconquista mission provinces.

[Azthor]

So England didn't succumb to rebels and release Scotland?

Nope, and somehow we went from neutral to cordial, then from that to friendly, even as my AE shot through the roof. That DreXav insists France is against him is merely a resentment fueled assumption due to the later not sending its whole army to kick Fivex out of north Africa for him.

[Twiggie]

fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck.


time of troubles.