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[Twiggie]

So, release is in 15 days, I figure we have some time to prepare now so that we can start playing one or two weekends after release.

As usual, games will be played weekly, for 3+ hours each week. We'll be using Steam for hosting info, and people should turn up  15-30 minutes early if possible. Players should add twiggie3103 on steam. The group is located here, please join that.

There's a poll for times above, please note that these are very rough and will be fine-tuned later. Additionally, this game will mainly be catering to Europeans. If you're not from here and still want to play, that's 100% fine as long as you a) have a decent connection and b) don't expect everyone else to make drastic changes for you.

Since this will be a new release, rules are somewhat hard to define at this point.
In general:
Don't be too much of a dick. We're here to have fun.
In the same vein, try to keep the game dynamic. If you notice patterns settling in, reducing fun, its YOUR responsibility to change it.
Don't take things too personally. If you end up losing early, its more likely you had some bad luck than that people hate you.
Don't exploit. Its likely there will be a few bugs, if you discover any kindly refrain from using them.
Absolutely NO throwing hissy fits and screwing up your nation on purpose.

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Post your five favourite countries (in order of preference) and nations will be assigned ~5 days before the start.
Kindly limit your choices to Europe, North Africa and the Middle East.
Twiggie (Muscowy)
Dutchling (SUBBING)
andrew4250 (England)
Azthor (France)
Chosrau (Ottomans)
Rakonas (Ottomans, Denmark, Portugal, Morocco, France)
Fivex (Mamluks)
Stabbymcstabstab (Austria)
Tarran (Milan)
Deathsword (Portugal)
Grand Nagus (Spain?)
Isdar (The Hansa)

Bulborbish (Vijanagar, Timurids, Delhi)
Malus (undecided)
Inteuniso (Morocco, Holland, Japanese Shogunate, The Knights, Bahamani/Indian Kingdom)
Descan
BarbarossaTSG (Brandenburg, Sweden, Venice, Portugal, Netherlands)
Karlito (Timurids, Poland, Portugal, Uzbeks, Denmark)
Somebody (Sweden, Naples, Brandenburg, Hungary)

[Twiggie]

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[Dutchling]

Tentatively signing up. I'm not half as competitive or skilled as the OP seems to suggest I should be, but I think I'll give it a go anyway

Dutchling (Castille, Oman, England, Ottomans)

(I'm subbing)

edit: Voted Saturday evening, but anything not Sunday evening is fine.

[Andrew425]

As long as it's on a weekend I should be able to make it. (I'm from the west coast of Canada)

Andrew4250 (England, Brandenburg, Ottomans, Castille, Teutonic Order.)

How close will you limit people to playing neighbours? Would you have a Aragon and a Castille player?

Also early game is it okay to have alliances to deal with large AI nations?

[Twiggie]

Neighbours will be based on the amount of players and the relative power of the neighbours - a bohemia/austria is more likely to make it in than a muscowy/tver or a france/brittany.

With respect to alliances, playing the AI against each other and attacking simultaneously is advised.

And the whole point of the leader/other thing is to allow players that aren't playing as well to still participate in the grand scheme of things, and to encourage sharing of ideas.

[Kaferian]

Someone should try to form France with England.

Also, what happens if someone forces you to release your vassal? Does the newly released vassal just carry on its way, or is this just banned as vassals are forbidden to break free from their masters?

[Descan]

I'm gonna change Yemen to Scotland, as my choice.

To reiterate: Descan: Oman, Scotland, Papacy, Crimea, Mamluks

[Heron TSG]

I'm not entirely sure I'll get the game in time, but if I do, I'd like to fight for the glory of Brandenburg once more. However, for a list of 5: Brandenburg, Sweden, Venice, Portugal, Netherlands.

[Azthor]

Azthor (France, England, Castille, Austria, Muscowy)

Someone should try to form France with England.

Also, what happens if someone forces you to release your vassal? Does the newly released vassal just carry on its way, or is this just banned as vassals are forbidden to break free from their masters?

You could say that nearly happened in the last EU 3 MP. Nearly.

[Chosrau]

Chosrau (The Hansa, Ottomans,  Mamluks, Naples, Portugal)

I don't think those tiers are suited to determine who can attack whom at the beginning. Burgundy, Hungary and Bohemia are all pretty strong at the beginning, yet they are still tier 3.

[Karlito]

Karlito (Timurids, Poland, Portugal, Uzbeks, Denmark)

Yeah, not sure how I feel about using the tiers for something like that. They aren't really a measure of competitive strength, especially at the beginning of the game (Tier one Sweden is a junior partner of a PU for example; and horde nations are quite powerful militarily at the start), but rather a measure of how many unique events a country gets.

Brandenburg, Sweden, Venice, Portugal, Netherlands.

Just so you know, there is no Netherlands in 1444 (that's our start, right?)

[Kaferian]

You can always do a Burgundy>Netherlands.

[Karlito]

No player alliances.

This going to include coalitions?

[Rakonas]

Rakonas (Ottomans, Denmark, Portugal, Morocco, France)
I don't really like the no player-alliance rule, as it's an artificial constraint which would hamper legitimate diplomacy. It makes more sense to just limit any mutual alliance blocs to ~3 people so you don't end up with everyone allied.

[Heron TSG]

Well, what we ran into last time was the Holy Roman Empire banding together to take down those Western Tyrants Burgundy and Britain at various points, and then getting flattened by every other player at once, and then banding together with Burgundy and Muscovy(?) to try to slow down the wildly-out-of-control Britain. Honestly, I really liked the diplomacy, but it did slow down the carnage somewhat. What about a modification, wherein countries are only allowed to ally in groups that have a maximum size of the largest player? For example, Genoa, Netherlands, and Hamburg might form an alliance and still be smaller and less powerful than a well-off Burgundy or France.