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ScriptWolf

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Lock picking thread
« on: July 28, 2013, 12:09:49 pm »

Hey

So I managed to get a really nice set of lock picks from one store but it's not good for any other tools or practise locks or anything, and I have also managed to horribly bend some of my favourite pick types does anyone know of some decent UK stores where I can pick up some more tools ? And replace some broken ones ?
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Re: Buying lock picks
« Reply #1 on: July 28, 2013, 02:53:06 pm »

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Re: Buying lock picks
« Reply #2 on: July 28, 2013, 03:15:54 pm »

How do I sound like a spam bot ? O.o all I asked was if people knew any good places to buy picks or practise tools from :P
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Re: Buying lock picks
« Reply #3 on: July 28, 2013, 03:19:05 pm »

Why exactly do you need lock picks again?
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Re: Buying lock picks
« Reply #4 on: July 28, 2013, 03:33:52 pm »

Why exactly do you need lock picks again?

I made a thread a while back I got into it as a hobby you know like it's a extra puzzle and lock sports, nothing illegal :P

Hence why I also asked for more practise locks :P and replacement picks for the ones I broke while practising

Also lock smithing is a hobby I'm also looking into getting a qualification in it as well - still I have been saving up money.
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Re: Buying lock picks
« Reply #5 on: July 28, 2013, 03:34:49 pm »

Why don't you need lock picks?
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Re: Buying lock picks
« Reply #6 on: July 28, 2013, 03:38:42 pm »

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Why exactly do you need lock picks again?

Because lock picks are awesome, that's why.



Dems mine.

I've no doubt you can buy a quality set online. Just....go easy on them ok? I don't know the durability of the ones you have, but I've never managed to bend one of these picks, and they're fairly cheap. Really, there's no reason you should bend then. Don't rake locks, it's bad for the lock and it's murder on your picks. If this is a hobby then you're not having someone standing over your shoulder going "did you get it yet?!?" That's why when people ask me to pick their locks, I tell them to wait somewhere else while I work. Otherwise you get nervous being watched and start doing dumb things like raking the lock to speed the process up. And nothing could be worse than snapping a pick inside someone else's lock. Then you have to call a REAL locksmith. :P
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Re: Buying lock picks
« Reply #7 on: July 28, 2013, 03:50:03 pm »

I live in the UK :) so it's legal to have them so long as your not like out in town at 1am with them in hand - mostly it's very situational if you will get arrested or not, like carrying a crowbar in the middle of the day or dead of night one looks suspicious the other does not.

Here is my set its from the manufacture "southord" really expensive as well I went for a professional set - although I do find my self lacking in torsion wrenches so another reason why I wanted a reputable UK seller was for some good quality picks and more wrenches

Spoiler:  my lock pick set (click to show/hide)


As you can see I have really messed up my favourite half diamond pick, learning to get the right amount of torsion you need on the lock is really hard

Anyone else into lock sports and any tips ?

I find getting the fifth pin rather hard to push up I can never seem to find it when I'm feeling for it haha
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Re: Lock picking thread
« Reply #8 on: July 28, 2013, 04:28:14 pm »

I don't claim to be super knowledgable about locks but...

I just get the torsion bar tight, and go tumbler by tumbler, straight up. If you feel your hand on the torsion bar move at all, you know something is happening to the lock, and you've hit the right tumbler. Focus on that spot until the torsion bar moves and the tumbler quits dropping down, and then repeat the process. I've seen a lot of techniques that just rely on brute force and speed...but to me it's about manual dexterity and feeling. Takes a lot longer but it's about the zen of it. Not like I'm trying to break in somewhere.

Old locks suck. A tumbler that's been scrapped and gouged is a pain in the ass to get seated, and can require too much force on the pick.

Your picks are nicer than mine but I don't know if I like the big wide gripe on it. Would seem easy to apply way too much pressure and put stress on that narrow bit where it meets the handle. Then again, I don't know what kind of metal that is.
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Re: Lock picking thread
« Reply #9 on: July 28, 2013, 04:35:19 pm »

Yeah I use to do it with just brute force and messed up my pick but I could open my other practise lock ( also 5 pins ) very quickly

I have started to get use to micro movements of the torsion wrench so that I can apply the exact pressure needed to easily force the pin up while keeping the others in place but most of the time when trying to move the wrench to let another pin to up I will lose the others but I'm getting slowly better.

I'm very sure that the picks are made of steel, and yeah I do put a bit to much pressure on the pins but luckily I do have the practise lock which has been cut away so I can see the insides and learn how much pressure to apply easier. The wide grip does have it's good points though like having much better grip on your picks
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Re: Lock picking thread
« Reply #10 on: July 28, 2013, 05:02:38 pm »

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I have started to get use to micro movements of the torsion wrench so that I can apply the exact pressure needed to easily force the pin up while keeping the others in place but most of the time when trying to move the wrench to let another pin to up I will lose the others but I'm getting slowly better.

I know what you're saying. I've never used a cutaway, just a lock clamped to a table or door jamb, doors in the house, ect...What I learned to do is just apply constant pressure to the torsion bar, so the lock body is pressed against the pins. As you're pushing up on the pins you'll feel it stick a little bit as it gets caught by the lock. Then you apply a little bit more upward pressure and you'll feel it pop into place, and after you've been zoned in on the micromovements of the torsion bar....the jump when it seats and the lock moves to trap it will feel like you've won the lottery. It's hard to do at first because the other pins are in place, taking up some of that tension. But it gets much easier as you go, the sensations you get through the torsion bar start getting more and more dramatic. The last pin will usually be the easiest (except for finding it that is.)

The downside is, it wears your hand out quickly and a small lapse in tension on the torsion bar will undo all work.

And, you know, every lock is different. Exterior locks are much coarser and can bend or break picks, because they don't take to subtlety too well. I think you use graphite dust in a can? sprayed into the lock to lubricate the mechanisms. I've also found the weight of deadbolts can add additional stress to the whole process, because that weight is ultimately focused on your torsion bar.
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Re: Lock picking thread
« Reply #11 on: July 28, 2013, 05:08:11 pm »

Yeah I know what you mean about wearing out your hand, I tried practising on my back door it has seven pins I think I spent 1 hour trying to pick it ( I got locked out and needed my laptop ) and by the time I had finished my wrench had left a very large impression in my hand :P

Have you ever used one of the circular torsion wrenches ? I have been looking at them and they seem rather nifty even more so the one which gauges how much pressure you are putting on the lock but at £32 it's not cheep :P

Also do we have a general thread on lock picking In the general chat sub section ?
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Re: Lock picking thread
« Reply #12 on: July 29, 2013, 05:42:59 pm »

How hard can it be to pick locks?

I mean, it's not like there's a massive choice of locks, and they all function similarly :P

Actually, there's plenty of kinds of locks, of different ages, deterioration and in different circumstances. That's what makes lock picking fun. Picking a padlock is different than picking a door lock for a lot of different reasons. 

As for how hard it is, try it. And I don't mean sticking a paper clip in the cheapie little push-button locks.
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Re: Lock picking thread
« Reply #13 on: July 29, 2013, 11:27:39 pm »

I seem to remember we had a lockpicking thread.

In the ~3 years I've had my set I've only succesfully managed to pick 3 locks out of the ~10 I tried.
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Re: Lock picking thread
« Reply #14 on: August 07, 2013, 06:13:57 am »

A couple months ago I discovered that my bedroom door was not one of the cheap paper-clip opening locks when she accidentally locked us both out of it. Not sure why I never noticed the keyhole until that point. The door also had the side panel on it which prevented me from jimmying a wedge in there.

Ended up using a hard paperclip to pick it, using a flathead screwdriver for torsion. I'd never successfully picked a lock this way before, but I did it this time, by golly.
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