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Yes!

9 (23.7%)

No!

13 (34.2%)

Maybe!

16 (42.1%)

Total Members Voted: 38

[Mono124]

I'd be okay with it if we were equally represented and the name was changed, I guess.

Chances are, honestly, that won't happen. Would we have a large amount of sway (particularly in the African side of politics)? Yes. Name change as far as I know is impossible unless they disband and add everyone again, and being equally represented might not work very well. I mean, it could cause instability within the alliance. Highlander... there can only be one, you know. Worst case scenario it doesn't work out and we pull ourselves from the situation, and unless Comintern convinces another alliance to attack us, they won't have enough members left in Africa to retaliate. I don't see that happening though, and that would be truly last case scenario.

[Bdthemag]

This is something I don't want to put up to a vote unless a large majority of people start demanding we merge. Right now we're not merging with anyone, period. We're going to bide our time and build up our GDP, then we'll see what happens.

[Mono124]

This is something I don't want to put up to a vote unless a large majority of people start demanding we merge. Right now we're not merging with anyone, period. We're going to bide our time and build up our GDP, then we'll see what happens.

Aye, seems like a good idea. In the meantime, maybe message the Comintern leader asking about representation, how the merger would go, and possible aid we would get, etc. because the more we know about this even slightly potential merge, the better we can plan (and if they are willing to give us mass amounts of aid and such, we know that they really, really want the manpower, which shows a possible African based war boiling up).

[Playergamer]

I vote no to merge.

EDIT: Could I tell the people working on the history of Africa about Comintern trying to get us to merge?

[MoLAoS]

We have about 13 members on the forum, thats actually about 20% of the alliance so not bad for a day. I dunno if we plan to use them much since going to other sites tends not to be convenient for many people.

I'd say no to allying with Comitern. We are big enough that no one will fuck with us if we don't start something so we can peacefully boost our growth and army size without trouble.

[Mono124]

We have about 13 members on the forum, thats actually about 20% of the alliance so not bad for a day. I dunno if we plan to use them much since going to other sites tends not to be convenient for many people.

I'd say no to allying with Comitern. We are big enough that no one will fuck with us if we don't start something so we can peacefully boost our growth and army size without trouble.

While I agree that we are big enough we can probably get our growth up and such, if any of the major players in Africa see us rising up, seeing as how we aren't very active on the Bloc forums, they might see us as a threat and all the sudden we have an alliance that over twice our size (GDP wise) beating down on us. We are obviously being noticed now, and that's a double edged sword. Alliances will tell their members not to attack us (or the members will ask and the leaders will go eh.... no), but if we become a threat you can bet we will get beat down faster than we can react.

[Cheedows]

Well, allying could also give us more insight of bloc politics

[MoLAoS]

We have about 13 members on the forum, thats actually about 20% of the alliance so not bad for a day. I dunno if we plan to use them much since going to other sites tends not to be convenient for many people.

I'd say no to allying with Comitern. We are big enough that no one will fuck with us if we don't start something so we can peacefully boost our growth and army size without trouble.

While I agree that we are big enough we can probably get our growth up and such, if any of the major players in Africa see us rising up, seeing as how we aren't very active on the Bloc forums, they might see us as a threat and all the sudden we have an alliance that over twice our size (GDP wise) beating down on us. We are obviously being noticed now, and that's a double edged sword. Alliances will tell their members not to attack us (or the members will ask and the leaders will go eh.... no), but if we become a threat you can bet we will get beat down faster than we can react.

Wouldn't we be seen as more threatening if we merged with Comitern though? Merges make people think shit is about to go down. Comitern isn't that much bigger than us once we get our members going since many of us are pretty active.

[Mono124]

This is also true. Honestly I think we should make sure a mutual defense pact is secured, because that doesn't look nearly as threatening as a merger, and also covers both of our asses (and, as bad as this sounds, if Comintern gets into a war that would destroy us both, we can wash our hands of them and probably escape unscathed).

[MoLAoS]

This is also true. Honestly I think we should make sure a mutual defense pact is secured, because that doesn't look nearly as threatening as a merger, and also covers both of our asses (and, as bad as this sounds, if Comintern gets into a war that would destroy us both, we can wash our hands of them and probably escape unscathed).

Sounds kinda like a sphere of influence thing. Where DPs are more about keeping medium players out of the hands of other great powers than them being much use in a war. Interesting.

[Mono124]

Overall though we need to just grow, grow, grow. At what point should we stop growing individually and turn around and start helping others in our alliance Bd?

[Bdthemag]

Overall though we need to just grow, grow, grow. At what point should we stop growing individually and turn around and start helping others in our alliance Bd?

Well, I'd say once you're above $1,000 GDP and have WW2 tech, a nice sized army, five factories, and a nice airforce. If you have oil, invest into it until you have at least 5 mmbls per month. Maybe start investing in chemical weapons if you have a high reputation. Once you've checked all of these off, then you can start thinking about helping other people in the alliance.

[Cheedows]

Could you define a nice army and airforce?

[Bdthemag]

Could you define a nice army and airforce?

At over 1,000GDP a nice army is an army at the 40-50K+ range, and a nice airforce is purchasing until it says you have a Powerful airforce.

[MoLAoS]

Overall though we need to just grow, grow, grow. At what point should we stop growing individually and turn around and start helping others in our alliance Bd?

There isn't that much we can do. Dropping a ton of money on new players to get HAid is the optimal method. Military growth is capped by GDP limits and reputation, indeed using high HAid growth increases the speed of GDP growth through war. Having 40 growth means an extra 80, then an extra 160, and so forth, allowing new players to make the best use of their limited reputation. Growth isn't as useful for that purpose at a high level.

This is only really efficient prior to losing HAid due to the inefficiency of growth through other methods.

And the growth is added to the extra you get from a higher GDP. By the 5th turn you've gained maybe 200-300 or more extra GDP on top of the growth itself which is worth about 200. High growth early is a fabulous bonus.