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Total Members Voted: 38

[Bdthemag]

You know, I think this would probably work and I could contribute my blood diamond money each day. what actual benefits does WWII status give you?

Firstly, technology is one of the major factors deciding whether or not you win a battle, and with what casualties along with training level. I also believe that troop numbers either doesn't affect it at all, or only on a small scale. A WW1 Tech nation is very unlikely to beat a WW2 tech nation due to the tech superiority. WW2 tech nations can also start developing chemical weapons, which are very useful deterrents against people declaring war on you, and can be used to intimidate people since they lower the nation's GDP by 1/6th. You can also begin to build weapon factories, which are apparently very useful when advancing past WW2 tech.

It's a really useful tech level to get, and if you're planning on doing wide-scale wars against other big alliances it's necessary.

[GlyphGryph]

Hmm... if the primary benefit is military, might we be better off just donating money to fuel the growth of the smaller nations?

Growth still seems to be far and away the most important currency, and the hardest to get, and if we dump a ton of money into a nation with a gdp below 115, they could reliably get up to quite a bit of growth awfully quickly.

Or, even better, they could very cheaply buy a whole bunch of hospitals and max out their popularity/quality of life/stability, which means free growth every turn for quite a while.

And remember that growth means troops - so that free growth is a big force multiplier when they DO get wwII surplus, I would imagine.

[Bdthemag]

Well, the thing with growth is that the higher it gets, the faster it'll decrease. I'm not entirely sure about this, but to keep a high growth you'd have to continuously be investing money into it. It's certainly plausible, but I think it should only be done to give short stimulus boosts to various nations.

My main interest for this alliance in terms of its security and future is our military potential, and that should really be our focus.

[Rakonas]

Well, the thing with growth is that the higher it gets, the faster it'll decrease. I'm not entirely sure about this, but to keep a high growth you'd have to continuously be investing money into it. It's certainly plausible, but I think it should only be done to give short stimulus boosts to various nations.

My main interest for this alliance in terms of its security and future is our military potential, and that should really be our focus.

From what I know, it used to be that greater than 3% of GDP meant losing growth, but now the mark is actually just 20k growth a turn. So it's really not a big concern for a while.

[Bdthemag]

Well, the thing with growth is that the higher it gets, the faster it'll decrease. I'm not entirely sure about this, but to keep a high growth you'd have to continuously be investing money into it. It's certainly plausible, but I think it should only be done to give short stimulus boosts to various nations.

My main interest for this alliance in terms of its security and future is our military potential, and that should really be our focus.

From what I know, it used to be that greater than 3% of GDP meant losing growth, but now the mark is actually just 20k growth a turn. So it's really not a big concern for a while.

Oh really? I wasn't aware of this, nevermind then.

[forsaken1111]

Maybe we should invest in everyone who has less than 20m growth then? And don't forget you need at least as many oil barrels as you have growth so 20m growth = 20mbbl oil.

[GlyphGryph]

And even then, I think the rate of growth lost was like a 1/200 chance for the next... like, 20 steps. So it essentially pays for itself and then some even after that.

Let me check...

If your Growth is below +20 million per month, no impact.
If your Growth is between +20 and +39 million per month, you will lose -1 million of growth per month.
If your Growth is between +40 and +59 per month, you will lose -2 million of growth per month.
If your Growth is between +60 and +79 per month, you will lose -4 million of growth per month.
If your Growth is between +80 and +99 per month, you will lose -8 million of growth per month.
If your Growth is above +100, you will lose -16 million of growth per month.

Nope, I was wrong, that was the oil cap. Still, we have every reason to give our members right up to that line, right off the bat when they can do it cheaply and without risk for 75k a point, as well as the oil to support it.

I think this would be a much bigger boon to our nations than wwII tech.

It would take 1,500k to get a nation up to maximum growth. This adds 20k to their gdp every turn...

Does anyone actually know the ration for how much money you get each tic? I want to calculate how long it would actually take for the investment to pay off. Depending on how it benefits them, giving them the cash to get up to 40 growth (3,000k, -1 growth per turn) might actually be well worth it as well.

[Rakonas]

Oh wow, yeah that's true, I didn't consider the humanitarian aid thing. Doing a little numbers crunching, $1500k per 20 humanitarian aids, and I believe people start with 15 mbbls so ~30(5), 1650k for buffing someone up to 20 growth a turn right off the bat. So let's say each set of 15 people sends 100k a turn to people about to break the $115 gdp threshold, we could have 3 at once (assuming that everyone was active, 2 is more likely). This would pay dividends when the people who received the massive growth boost gave back as they rose rapidly in gdp.
We should get an excel google doc thing up for people to register as part of this scheme if we're really going to do this.

[Bdthemag]

I'm terrible at math, but I believe you get around 10K a tic. But it sounds like a solid plan, the problem is getting people to donate.

[Aoi]

I think you start with 10 barrels of oil.

[stabbymcstabstab]

No you start with fifteen because it take five mbbl to buy aircraft and I  had ten left over.

[GlyphGryph]

I'm terrible at math, but I believe you get around 10K a tic. But it sounds like a solid plan, the problem is getting people to donate.

Is that 10k irrespective of GDP?

I thought GDP determined how much money you got.

Edit: Nevermind, found it.

.10% over 12 hours. That's actually the same as your actual gdp, ignoring the units at the end. That makes the math easy.

[Bdthemag]

I'm terrible at math, but I believe you get around 10K a tic. But it sounds like a solid plan, the problem is getting people to donate.

Is that 10k irrespective of GDP?

I thought GDP determined how much money you got.

Wait, no. That might be my gain per tic, I have no idea. I think it is largely dependent on your GDP though.

[GlyphGryph]

So it looks like you gain your gdp (in 'k's instead of 'm's) every 12 hours.

We raise growth to 40 (at the cost of 3,000k)

Every turn, we gain 40k from our investment on that turn and each following turn.

So, result is, assuming absolutely no reinvestment of the money...

It would take 10 turns (5 days irl) to pay off the investment (and it just steamrolls from there)
9,070k after 20 turns (10 days in real life), with a gdp of 710m
27,470k after 40 turns, with a gdp of 1,110

[werty892]

Anyone got some spare cash for a loan? I'm Eximious, and I want to prospect for oil.