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[MoLAoS]

That's right, and that's why you're getting the money. It's part of the UBA's "support starting nations" plan.

You'd be getting quite a bit more if you hadn't chosen to join pretty much immediately after a whole bunch of people got into wars they couldn't handle, I'm sure. >_<

Yeah I always had a talent for bad timing.

Based on some quick math it would be ideal to pay out 1.2mil to new players which results in them catapulting to 1300 GDP in a mere 10 days assuming they spend all their income to pay back loans during those 10 days. If applied to every player this would make the alliance worth as much as a top tier alliance especially since that growth keeps adding on 60 growth a tick forever after.

I assume there must be some gimp to this method. Perhaps GDP greatly outpacing population would cause you to be attacked for loot because your army size is limited?

[Digital Hellhound]

DigitalHellhound, can I please have my soldiers back?
They need to return home so that they can leave the forces and become homeless alcoholics join the glorious workforce.

Uh, right. Who were you again?

[Graknorke]

DigitalHellhound, can I please have my soldiers back?
They need to return home so that they can leave the forces and become homeless alcoholics join the glorious workforce.

Uh, right. Who were you again?

http://bloc.name/stats.php?id=6022

[WealthyRadish]

Is anyone willing to loan me more troops and/or money? This war is sucking me dry of both.

I sent 10k troops. If someone else sends 10k, that'll probably be enough to scare the guy off. I'm still recovering from a stalemate myself, so I don't have much else to offer.

The idea of giving tons of money to starting nations is neat, but more important is helping people out of wars. There's no point to being in an alliance otherwise... any deterrent to attacking our members is based entirely on the assumption that they'll be able to pull tons of troops out of nowhere at a moment's notice, and if we don't have that, having high GDP glass cannons isn't going to be particularly useful in an alliance war. It's still worth pursuing, don't get me wrong, but we will need some better framework for aid eventually. I think we need a little more organization involving keeping troops available for use, rather than asking in the thread and relying on generosity.

[Sensei]

There's some dispute, but the generally accepted answer is "Million Blue Barrels".

There's generally two reasons given why it's specified as 'blue'-- one is that it was attempt to establish a new standard for barrels, slightly larger to allow for loss in transport so the end yield was 40 gallons, and the other is that it was used to differentiate between different types of oil.

First off, a bbl is a Blue Barrel, which is the standard for crude oil everywhere. It contains exactly 42 gallons. An Mbbl is almost certainly a mega (thousand) bbls, and the prices of $25-$50/bbl are reasonable for the 60's time period, although today crude oil is at $104/bbl- and that's down from yesterday.

Oil in >BLOC has two purposes- your airforce (it costs 5mbbl to buy airplanes, 1mbbl to airstrike) and growth. If you have more growth than barrels, your growth will slowly decline (as with most things in >BLOC, you can ignore units, but it's million dollars to thousand bbls if you prefer to think of it that way).

[Digital Hellhound]

DigitalHellhound, can I please have my soldiers back?
They need to return home so that they can leave the forces and become homeless alcoholics join the glorious workforce.

Uh, right. Who were you again?

http://bloc.name/stats.php?id=6022

I don't remember you, but hey, here goes! Enjoy.

[Graknorke]

This is possibly the only time I have heard 'mega' being used as thousands.

[GlyphGryph]

The idea of giving tons of money to starting nations is neat, but more important is helping people out of wars. There's no point to being in an alliance otherwise... any deterrent to attacking our members is based entirely on the assumption that they'll be able to pull tons of troops out of nowhere at a moment's notice, and if we don't have that, having high GDP glass cannons isn't going to be particularly useful in an alliance war. It's still worth pursuing, don't get me wrong, but we will need some better framework for aid eventually. I think we need a little more organization involving keeping troops available for use, rather than asking in the thread and relying on generosity.

Well, I mean, that's nice and all, but I have money. What I don't have is an overabundance of troops. I shifted most of my troops out to the previous two wars, and I think I already sent him some as well.

But yeah, having the list of nations in the OP, and perhaps having some sort of "alliance commitment numbers" (We always each have at least 10k troops to commit to an alliance war, and bdthemag can tell us to commit them and who to commit them too) would be nice. Especially if he also decided those who commit troops see some sort of benefit for it.

[MoLAoS]

Mega is the metric prefix for millions. Kilo is thousands.

I've got 10k troops I can deploy, but it would be nice to really abuse the humantarian aid function before my economy gets too big.

I've used it 6 times, so another 14 puts me at 20 growth per 12 hours. That would take another million. At the minimum I would like to get like, 4-9 more clicks.

Also, what is the optimal policy pick at game start?

I assume that either the quality of life one or the 600k credits would have been the best choice. I personally went for the quality of life but that may have been dumb.

It looks like if you pick the 600k one and get 400k credits of help from the Alliance for a total of 1.3mil money, you can get WW1 tech AND get 20 growth. That might be a good option for giving to new players.

[Aoi]

There's some dispute, but the generally accepted answer is "Million Blue Barrels".

There's generally two reasons given why it's specified as 'blue'-- one is that it was attempt to establish a new standard for barrels, slightly larger to allow for loss in transport so the end yield was 40 gallons, and the other is that it was used to differentiate between different types of oil.

First off, a bbl is a Blue Barrel, which is the standard for crude oil everywhere. It contains exactly 42 gallons. An Mbbl is almost certainly a mega (thousand) bbls, and the prices of $25-$50/bbl are reasonable for the 60's time period, although today crude oil is at $104/bbl- and that's down from yesterday.

...Okay, I admit I'm used to operating with the standard game convention of m=million and forgot to check that.  But, looking at the four sites that I pulled up, each giving the impression of some kind of authority, offers contradiction on various elements on its history. Pretty much the only thing they all agree on is that it means 'barrel', and the convention was established in the last 400 years or so.

Back to BLOC: So you want to keep barrels=growth to prevent that form of rot? Good to know... I'm just about even. Keep QoL high and oil>growth. Any other suggestions for minimizing rot?

[GlyphGryph]

It steps up every 20 units of growth. So always have your growth just below the threshold you can manage.

[Sensei]

This is possibly the only time I have heard 'mega' being used as thousands.

True. However, this is not the Metric system- it's the Presidente system of measurement. But yeah thousands seems more logical given the price and what you can do with them.

[Hanzoku]

Well, that was worth it, I hope. I'm now an international Pariah, but I do have a fully functional weapons infrastructure.

[MoLAoS]

So, is my math right that someone at 1000million gdp make 2million every real life day?

[GreatJustice]

I'm pretty poor right now and could use some loans for foreign aid. My country

I have 10k poorly trained soldiers if that's of any use.